Why Not an E-Cat Space Heater?

An interesting exchange took place on Andrea Ross’s JONP today, with reader Christopher Calder making a simple suggestion:

“Could you produce a simple E-Cat space heater that anyone could plug into a wall? Most current consumer electric space heaters are limited to 1,500 watts, which is claimed to be enough to heat 1,000 square feet (93 square meters). Such a device would allow even very low income apartment dwellers to immediately benefit from LENR technology. You could not possibly manufacture enough portable heaters to keep up with worldwide demand. Competition is only a problem if you run out of customers. The E-Cat shortage will be the big problem making headlines.”

Rossi responded,

“Do you know? Your is a very good idea. We gotta study it.”

The interesting thing here is that it sounds like Rossi hadn’t really considered this before. Like many good ideas, Calder’s one is very simple, and it seems to be an obvious idea (except no one has come up with it yet!)

Some of the advantages of an E-Cat space heater would be:

  • Lower cost. You could buy them one by one if you didn’t have the funds for 10 kW all at once. A 1 kW space heater might only cost $50 according to the most recent cost estimates from Rossi.
  • Easy installation — no need to hook it into an existing central heating system (many homes throughout the world do not have cental heating installed)
  • There are many places in the world with warmer climates where central heating is not really needed, and where it is not even installed. Space heaters would be ideal for cooler weather in those areas
  • Portable
  • Perfect for use in cabins, tents, patios, outdoor settings, etc.

There would be engineering issues to deal with, however, with such a heater. Some kind of cooling system would be necessary to prevent the E-Cat overheating and shutting down. If water is the cooling medium, plumbing would be needed, meaning that the heater may not be as portable as we are used to with current space heaters. If the heater was close to a window it might be possible to cool the reactor with outside air into the E-Cat also, perhaps in combination with water.

If we start thinking about space heaters, why not consider space coolers too? There may be ways to make E-Cat window air conditioners as well, since cooling is apparently possible with this technology. Portable stoves for indoor and outdoor cooking might be possible as well.

The interesting thing here is that Rossi seems to be interested in the idea, and if he gets to work on this, we might see something happen. He has always said that he learns a great deal from the comments and questions of his readers, and here is an example of that principle at work. I hope we hear more about this soon.

  • Jim

    Gods. If he makes a space heater, I’ll buy a bunch of them. I’ll put one in each of several rooms and just set the furnace down as low as I can.

    This because I doubt if my furnace (forced air) will be easily converted right away.

    I’ll also set one up to run water pipes under the floors, just because I hate cold floors. Forced air does not do much for cold floors.

    But even better, I hope he makes a unit suitable for keeping a car warm during winter. Either a real small unit to keep the battery and engine warm, or a bigger one to keep the whole car warm, which would probably keep all the snow from building up on it.

    Even if it had to use a timer, so that I could have it start warming up the car an hour before I go out to it.

    • http://www.loneaspen.com C Wood

      I think under the USA’s DHS guidelines, a car with a ECAT would be classified as a WMD.

  • Enthusiast

    I think that the technological and the engineering part is only the half of the way – the other half is to get all of the required licenses, patents, approvals, etc. and i think the technology is too revolutional to be allowed on the market – he’ll be kept on hold by the entire bureaucratic machine.

  • the snake

    Rossi announces a lot, he already wanted to sell products in Oct. of last year. His demonstrations were promising, but I’m not convinced he has any prototype that can run over extended periods of time. Now Rossi says he will be on the market by the end of 2012, and by then, probably on 2013.

    • Roberto

      It’s quite common in marketing to announce and delay. Announce is a way to keep competitors under pressure. But this is not so much related to LENR. Is it?

      • Roberto

        LENR is related to Rossi’s delay, the same ability to fly is related to Boeing’s 787 postponed delivery.

  • Roberto

    I never read about Celani’s Ni-H replication. Why? Is the italian INFN a fraud? There are things I cannot really understand. That’s why I’m asking.

    • Roberto

      And again: skepticism on AR or on LENR? There’s plenty of overlapping words.

  • Norman Howe

    Mr. Rossi: I am one of your biggest fans and supporter. I have signed up for an E-cat but I have a building code concern about about lead actually make contact with the water in the water jacket. Could you clear this mater up?

  • Roger

    I have been following this for a while now – I was a great fan of the original PF cold fusion debate and even tried a few experiments at home to see if I could replicate it but without much success.
    The comments all seem to be on ‘can it do this, can it do that’ etc…
    I think we’re all missing the point, assuming that the LENR is real and I am really hoping it is, these are the main issues.
    1) It is just a heater – does not cool nor generate electricity. Ok so with some clever bolt ons it may be able to do these things but I don’t think everyone should get hung up on these, for me a almost free to run heater to heat the house and/or (tank of) water is just great.
    2) The way it heats is as yet unknown – do we really mind at this point – ask any scientist how superconductivity works or ask for a jam jar of dark matter.
    3) Assuming it is gamma radiation doing the heating – ok, it pretty bad if your exposed to it but I can see with enough shielding it being safe – there is an appliance in everyones kitchen that is pretty unsafe if you run it without the door on ie: the microwave (1Kw of 2.5GHz RF).
    4) The actual device maybe pretty simple, a pressurised container with hydrogen and Ni power and the secret catalyst. There is a wire heater and a coil of wire that excites the cavity with pulsed RF – ok I am pretty much guessing here. But anyway the mechanics is simple and probably quite cheap but I can see the electronics control system being more of an expense. The unit needs an initial kick to get it going and then must not be allowed to get too hot as it fuses the Ni power – this means a constant supply of water to cool it and even when you effectively switch it off it remains hot for 4 hours more. In a power cut I could see this being a major problem.
    5) I also don’t think everyone should get hung up on when/how this is going to take off – give the guy a chance – he probably just wants to get as many units out there as soon as he can just to get the ball rolling. There will be many copycat units as soon as he delivers and this is probably a good thing as if real this LENR will be too big a technology for just one player – I am just hoping he gets enough financial payback in the years to come.
    6) As far as safety/licencing is concerned – I am pretty sure that it will be able to achieve these – however I can see big business if it really feels threatened delaying these with a bit of good old scaremongery. This would mean the initial markets would all be in developing counties but eventually it will go everywhere – you can’t hold back the tide forever!!!

    2012 – hopefully an interesting year, personally I would have one of these as soon as they are available. This is classed as disruptive technology and as such will change the status quo – may also save the planet which can’t be left to the politicians!!

    • Eric Charland

      2) The way it heats is as yet unknown – do we really mind at this point – ask any scientist how superconductivity works or ask for a jam jar of dark matter.

      Thing is, Rossi won’t say… it’s not Rossi can’t say…

      I do agree with the rest of your comment.

  • http://- HITCHER

    usually such devices were build with oil in a radiator

    http://www.amazon.de/s?ie=UTF8&rh=n%3A80084031%2Ck%3A%C3%B6lradiator

    so, just plug in a E-CAT als power-multiplier 😉

  • Brendon

    Why doesn’t Rossi just license the technology rather than build the complete unit? This would allow it to be rapidly used in many different ways by many different companies.

    • Robert Mockan

      The Black Light Power corporation business model uses license to spread the proven technology.
      But even years after being “proven” there are still skeptics who question is the technology even real, and ask is Randall Mills a con man. And although many license have been sold, no buyer has yet built a generating plant using the technology.
      Check it out for yourself:
      http://www.blacklightpower.com

  • Alexvs

    From: http://www.northernstar.com.au/story/2012/01/17/lack-of-energy-stifles-invention/

    IT WAS the new energy machine set to change the world and 100 people turned up to Mullumbimby Ex-Services Club to see how it worked.

    The machine’s inventor, Italian physicist Andrea Rossi, was scheduled to explain the process to the eager crowd from the other side of the world via Skype on Friday night.

    But a “technological mishap” brought it all unstuck – Mr Rossi never rang.

    Meeting organiser and Byron New Energy Charitable Trust founder Sol Millin didn’t call the scientist because, he said, Mr Rossi was a busy man and he did not want to disturb him.

    “He was waiting 12 hours before he should have been,” Mr Millin said yesterday. “He stayed up for an hour awaiting the call but he ended up going to bed.”

    Mr Rossi’s invention supposedly uses a process known as cold fusion to create large amounts of energy from almost nothing. Mr Millin describes it as “the most important discovery of our time”.

    “I think it’s about as important as when we found fire,” Mr Millin said.

    Dick Smith had been so interested in the claims that he sent a scientific advisor, Ian Bryce, to assess them on Friday night.

    Mr Smith was going to donate $200,000 if the presenters could convince the sceptical Mr Bryce that the machine worked.

    They didn’t.

    The Sunday press were similarly unimpressed, and quoted Mr Smith saying, after the presentation, he was “suspicious” and intended to keep his money in the bank.

    Mr Millin yesterday remained adamant the machine worked and claimed he and Mr Rossi were portrayed unfairly.

  • Alexvs

    The E-Cat possibilities are enormous.
    In underdeveloped desertic countries where firewood is a rare matter, an E-Cat would be the right solution for healthy cooking. Surely Mr. Rossi has thought of it but just in case I want to suggest him that the next goal be the portable E-Cat. The benefits it will bring to the entire humanity are out of my imagination but I can figure that someone carrying a portable E-Cat can fix his home and his activities anywhere in the world.

  • arian
  • Sanjeev

    Andrea Rossi
    January 17th, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    Dear Mark Szlazak:
    It will be cm 30 x 30 x 12 circa. Not able to make electricity yet. Able to make heat and sanitary water ( this is a new of today: resolved also this problem).
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Sanjeev

      Does that mean it will be instant on/off now?
      Hard to believe but he is making improvements everyday.

    • Tom

      Sanitary water… As soon as electricity generation is working, I’ll buy 2 and send one to Africa.

  • daniel maris

    He closed down the comments section Ponzi!

    • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

      Dr. Zawodny is like the captain of the Costa Concordia. He saw the video but didn’t stop it or raise a stink about it. No wonder he closed his comments section now.

  • sailmenn

    To all the sceptics, watch this video from John Kanzius,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzLTeQeI8tY

    Look also at the date, this is the starting point.

    • joe

      Poor true believer, sorry but the RF generator needs more power to crack the salt water than is produced by burning the hydrogen and oxygen that is released from the salt water.

      • daniel maris

        Well Joe , just to show you some of us Rossi supporters are discerning folk, I think I worked that out myself . I guess it’s an alternative to carbon emissions is about all you coudl say.

  • Sanjeev
    • morse

      Strange development…
      You can ask yourself, what is really going on here !?
      First a real scientist Mr. Zawodny states that LENR is real. He says in his video that the energy is powerful, able to support everything from transportation systems to infrastructure.
      I know for sure that LENR is real and useful.

      • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

        First off, scientist is a noun. Real is an adjective. Perhaps the adjective you should be focusing on is not real but climate. He’s a climate scientist. I worked 15 years at NASA, the last 4 years in science data processing for climate studies. To me the discrepancy is obvious. What is this guy doing talking about a LENR? He is certainly qualified given his studies but obviously not experienced. LENR is for people who get their hands dirty with hardware and hoses and cylinders and devices. They’re into valves and pressure chambers. This guy Zawodny is into algorithms and the physics of atmospheric and space studies. In the following blog on his personal site his other posts are about L1 and L2 not hydrogen and nickel. I’ve been to NASA Langley. They run a DAAC. It’s a room full of super computers. A far cry from the look and feel of Rossi’s workspace. My take on this is that he’s like the black (or it could just as well have been female) narrator. He’s a well behaving guy who can present this to the public. A figurehead. NASA may have selected him to present this technology.

        • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

          By the way, in case you haven’t noticed, unlike Rossi who answers to nobody, NASA answers to the general public in the US. You can always ask them to clarify and elaborate. They should because as it is it’s a real jerk around. The video claims one thing. Joe claims something completely different on his homegrown blog. This is completely unprofessional and the issue is much too important to play around with.

          • Charles Ponzi

            BTW, anyone that have worked for NASA is probably very disappointed because:
            a) LENR have been completely dismissed by NASA
            b) NASA still have no clue how LENR works
            c) NASA have spent billions of $$$
            and still have not clue.

          • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

            d) Rossi didn’t spend alot of money and has nothing to show but promises and plans.

            e) NASA doesn’t have to share their patent with their wife:)) Share is the wrong word because Rossi’s wife has 100% of the patent.

        • Steve Robb

          This is quite the soliloquy you have written.

    • daniel maris

      What a pathetic article. A weak credulous analysis, failure to focus on the patent. Presumably this guy thinks he is offering the general public some sort of insights. I see none there.

      • Steve Robb

        Gibbs gets paid per word he writes. He puts a spin on it and does what he can to keep things boiling. Every time I hear of another journalist loosing their job I celebrate.

  • sapain

    what r magnetic fields, what makes electrostatic forces in a particles, how r particles created, etc. many things r unknown and r given a rough explaination but the answer is still unknown. lenr is also like this. we use these unknown forces requardless of knowning the true nature. i am not interested right now in how it works only that it is proven to work. if all the nah sayers would sit back and b patient and give a positive thought towards lern it would go much better. there r many people working their tails off trying to solve lenr.
    rossi has been working on lenr for many years and may have seen what others have missed, once solved it does take long if the will is there.
    ecat is basically a portable heater, hook the water lines to a pump and a car rad and a water tank and match the size to balance it out.

  • Paul Stout

    Space heater is difficult. An electrical one is designed to shut off immediately if it gets too hot or tips over. I don’t think we have immediate shut down capability on this yet.

  • Skeptic

    Wow, say that once more… “proper cooling is needed to prevent the e-cat from overheating and shutting down”.

    Who says it will ‘shut down’?
    This is precisely the sort of difference between a lab experiment and a finished product.

    An applicance is something you can stick in your basement and leave unattended for 20 years.
    If it brakes down, it brakes down safely, and never, ever, overheats and sets your house on fire.

    If Rossi is mass producing, he has worked all this out. This means design, testing, certification. The product has to be finished. You can’t produce 1000000 units and then chance them a little bit.

    Here is the elephant in the room: How can Rossi jump from lab experiment to finished, tested, certified household appliance in two months???

    (oh and he STILL has not explained how the physics work. As if that is not important).

    • Skeptic

      Shutting down safely, or overheating and setting your house on fire.
      That is the difference between a lab experiment and a safe reliable household appliance.

      This takes 10 years. Are we to believe Rossi managed this in 2 months?

      • HanzJager

        Exactly 10 years? Any why 10 years.. why not 2 months or 20 years? Are there guidelines stating it can take no less than 10 years. Just curious is all.

        • Skeptic

          Yep. Ten years, give or take.
          To give you an idea of what must be done:

          – you must design an applicance. How powerful will it be? What does the market really want?
          For each market you must find out: How will it fit to the existing plumbing? Will it connect to your thermostat? What regulations exist for applicances that connect to heating or water?
          To name but a few: Water pressure. Legionella. Corrosion.

          – you must choose the materials. Will it be plastic? Metal? How heavy will it be? Which materials are cheapest?
          Will the materials last for 20 years?
          How much will the choice of materials determine the cost of the end product?

          – Production: Do you want to produce it in China? Europe? US?
          Do you think robots are the answer? They cost money. They take a while to program. You must divide your production into single steps. Each step must be examined and programmed.
          Foxconn, the iPhone producer, will start using robots instead of humans. They will be phasing in robots over the next 3 (three) years. And that’s a factory that already knows how to make iPhones.
          You can’t just order a few robots on eBay and yell at them to make something.

          – Safety. How do you protect your product from overheating? What happens when the safety measures fail and the appliance overheats? Can the applicance handle bumps or will it be damaged? Any risk of electrical short circuits? How does it hande a power spike?

          All these (and lots more) questions are answered for every TV, water cooker, heater, even for the charger of your iPod.
          Everything in your house has been tested, tested, tested to make sure it works.
          This takes a lot of time and effort, even for a company who is used to this.

          Examples:
          – The stirling engine is known for over 100 years and it is more efficient than the internal combustion engine. But by its very design, it is very difficult to make one that runs reliably for 100.000 kilometers, as the internal combustion engine does.
          – Intels brand new 3d transistor will slash energy usage in their processors by 50% (or improve performance by that amount). They thought of it in 1999. It took them this long to work out how to mass produce them.
          – Every one or two months there is an announcement about a new material, coating or production method that may slash the price of solar cells and send their efficiency skyrocketing. Yet, the price just inches down and their efficiency just inches up. Somehow, there have been no magical breakthroughs.
          – OLEDS have been touted as giving the best screen quality. Yet, although they work in the lab, it’s very hard to mass produce them into screens that last a number of years. All TVs that you buy are plasma or LCD – inferior but reliable. All tablets have LCD screens. All but a few telephones use LCD screens. One HTC phone that had an OLED screen was changed back to using LCD.

          Because a working lab experiment is not something you can put in a store the next day.

          If Rossi’s lab experiment works (and it’s really not proven), he must turn a container of nickle powder into an appliance that is safe, will last for 20 years in with little or no maintenance, fits your plumbing size, ties in to your existing thermostat, and will have a flawless safety record.

          • Sparks

            Yes, exactly, spot-on friend. I have been saying “five years, in the best-case scenario,” for reasons very much along the lines that you are pointing out. In a more likely scenario, more like 10 years, as there are many issues with stability and sustainment that could take many years to resolve.

          • Steve Robb

            What nonsense. You are assuming that this happens sequentially (they don’t many happen in parallel) and that the producers have no experience with similar products. If you worked for the government then it would take ten years.

        • daniel maris

          Yes – and why not look at world war 2 or the Apollo Mission where a whole host of new devices were put in operation often in a matter of months as with the Liberty Ships.

          Remember also, Rossi was working with Focardi on this device for several years, I think 6 years in total. So there have been many prototypes and many improvements. In other words most of the fundamental issues have been addressed. With NI’s help the sustainability seems well covered now. Most of the machine consists of pretty simple parts – it’s not like a new form of car with 1000s of parts.

      • Matt S

        It has been very interesting to note recently that our ultra sceptic/skeptic friends all over the place have gone from, “LENR! No it does not exist, such a machine will never happen, you are all mad, SCAM!” to now, “Rossi will never be able to, certify, develop and produce the machine in a year or two, it takes far longer!”

        They may have a point about development time but I think it is important that alot of them have gone from this technology does not exist to a sort of begrudging recognition that LENR does indeed exist and could be a world changer. They have finally taken the time to actually READ some background before firing off and calling us all mad fools. Although inevitibly there will be some un-read new to this tech sceptics who will fire the same old boring lines back again and again, I say just ignore them for now.

        About this space heater, a good idea but I also think it would take years to develop the LENR/ The Rossi Reaction into something so small and independent of another power supply for just the stablity issues alone. It will most likely develop on from the main 10Kw home heaters in time.

        • Skeptic

          Good point!
          But in every post I re-state that his experiment remains unproven.

          He is like a magician. When you ask to see the deck of cards, he puts them away and says: “Let me show you something different”.

          He is putting forward new things, one after another.
          Examples of issues that have died down, not because they were resolved, but because he moved on to something new:

          – What are the underlying physics?
          ‘weak interaction’ sounds scientific because the ‘weak nuclear force’ really is scientific. Weak interaction is not scientific. It invites people to think of cold fusion when it is really not saying anything.
          This was put to sleep because by:

          – 300 devices in a container for an unnamed Customer.
          Instead of discussing how the device worked, people now discussed whether this Customer was either the US Navy or the US Airforce.
          This was put to sleep by:

          – The Demo.
          Has everyone forgotten that
          1. There were no independent observers
          2. The device was NOT self sustaining?

          Especially when a heat-producing device needs extra heat put in to it seems like the plug has been pulled, but no:

          – 10.000 pre-orders. Who made these orders? Why haven’t I seen a website where I can order one? Can I talk to someone who has ordered one? What are the buyers going to do with it? Heating? Hot water? Space heating?
          This was put to sleep by:

          – Mass Production.
          This is when I was wondering how you can build a household applicance from a non-proven prototype based on unknown physics, but Rossi instead prefers to move on to:

          – Robots!
          Each step is more fantastic than the previous one.
          And mind you: The discussion about the previous problems has not been resolved. It SEEMS that way because it’s no longer being discussed.
          This is Rossi’s tactic: To bring up new things to talk about so that the flaws in his current claims are not debated.

          A magician does this too: When you want to inspect his kit, he pulls it away and says: “Let me show you something different.”

          • Sparks

            Great perspective and some very cogent points — thanks.

          • trashme

            You can order an ecat at ecat.com, or you can request to be put on the list personally by Ing Rossi himself at “journal of nuclear physics” website.
            See it’s not difficult for those who can be bothered to look.

          • Steve Robb

            What are the underlying physics? Who cares so long as it works. The solid state rectifier (rather than vacuum tube rectifier) was discovered when some experimenters were attempting to enhance electrolysis of water. They had a chunk of Galena (lead ore) in water and attached an electrode on one side inputting alternating current and from the other electrode came pulsing DC. Years later they learned how to package such crystals into small discrete units and employ them in radios. Those radios were called crystal sets. The didn’t understand the physics of the devices for many, many years.

        • Sparks

          No, not all skeptics have followed the pattern you state. I have never questioned that LENR effects have been recorded and verified in the lab. I have, however, lamented the complete lack of realism displayed on this website regarding commercialization of a technology that is not mature, and even more disconcerting, one for which the prototype appears to have sustainment problems, and even more disquieting, that no independent validation of the working prototype has been allowed. I actually feel compassion for Rossi, as I believe he is earnest, and he knows he has a “tiger by the tail”, but the full sustainment solution eludes him because it is (I’m guessing here) a very tough problem involving a delicate balancing act between inputs and outputs, maybe like keeping a coin spinning on its edge.

          • skeptic

            I believe Rossi is playing around with different designs and materials. He is using an electric heating element, and possibly hydrogen peroxide. I think what he is measuring is latent heat, not generated heat. He mistook it for real heat generation.
            He wants it to be true, and he thinks he can figure it out if he has a little more time and money.

            Note that he is not asking people to send him money (after all, those 10.000 pre-orders haven’t really been pre-ordered yet). So he’s not scamming for money. Yet.

            I think he is keeping up his side of the story until (he hopes) some magical breakthrough will happen.

            People, focus here. Rossi wants to sell you a heater that sits in your basement that heats for 20 years with no maintenance (that’s a fair requirement of a common heating system).
            You would think that he would have at least ONE e-cat running non-stop since last October.
            Instead he calls it quits after five (!) hours.
            Rossi, why isn’t there one running since October?
            Because you pre-heated it electrically , hot water came out (no miracle there!) and then the heat was gone.

          • Sparks

            Yes, exactly, skeptic. I’ve been saying (on this site) that he may have an “energy flywheel” on his hands, which means, energy returned on energy input (EREI) is about 1.0. This is another way of saying no net energy was generated. Or alternatively (and I’m more inclined to believe this), he may be generating some net energy, maybe even a good amount of net energy, but the sustainment problem is killing it all after a few hours. It’s good to “talk” to a rational poster, skeptic — thanks for your contributions. (There are a few others here who are being more rational as well.)

          • Frank

            I have to confess that I’m highly skeptical to Rossis claims because I find to much inconsistencies and irrationality in his claims and behavior – and I’m agnostic (but hopefull) to LENR.

            But what really astonish me, is the fact that quite a bunch of people, which post on e-cat blogs, consider skepticism as a bad attitude!
            Before I came to this web-site I never read the word ‘pseudo-sceptics’, which seems to be an abusive word
            If the meaning of pseudo-sceptic is to be sceptic to pseudo-sience, then I admit that I’m proud to be a pseudo-sceptic, because for me it’s just rational behavior to be sceptic to unproven theories / allegations …

          • Sparks

            Frank, spot-on. Here’s the short version of what you just said:

            Skeptic = Scientist
            Scientist = Skeptic.

            Cheers!

          • Steve Robb

            @skeptic: your resort to hydrogen peroxide and latent heat is pathetically laughable.

  • Erik Petersen

    This website turned very speculative.

    • Rooster

      Thank you!

  • pilatte

    first of all, I think the E-cat technology is real
    BUT Rossi has said: the E-cat is simple to build and easy to replicate and no patent are granted now
    china need energy for heating, desalination, etc
    china has skilled engineers, physicists and spies
    QUESTION : WHY china hasn’t a replication of the ecat
    Answer : maybe there is a hidden problem with the ecat and Rossi need time to solve

    • Burt

      Easy to replicate? No, Rossi didn’t say that.

      • pilatte

        exact, Rossi says reverse engineering
        the more you sell devices (1 Mw for exemple)the more you give place to spying
        like defkalion tell on the web

    • Nonono

      Uhm, or the correct answer would be: China havent got one, at the moment, because there isnt one released yet!

  • Pontus

    A space heater is a good idea. Rossi should concentrate on making the core OEM and let heater companies make the heaters. Rossi is doing the right thing making n automated high volume low cost production line because he can sell billions of cores to product manufacturers. Rossi is working on a core that will make temperateness in excess of 120 degrees so this can make electricity and power cars, planes, boats and everything else. Go Rossi Go!

  • Dr. No

    Even if Rossi’s claims are true, it would be very naive to think that the price vs. power ratio is linear. $500 for 10 kW is definitively not the same as $50 for 1 kW.

  • edog

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3321-steam-fires-underwater-jet-engine.html

    Excerpt:
    A revolutionary new steam engine, described by its inventors as “an underwater jet engine”, may soon be powering dinghies and speedboats more efficiently, cleanly and safely than a conventional outboard motor.

    The Pursuit Marine Drive produces thrust by using the energy from high-pressure steam to draw in water through an intake at the front and expel it at high speed through the rear. The steam emerges at high speed from a rearward-facing ring-shaped nozzle into a cone-shaped chamber, where it mixes with the water (see graphic). Shock waves created as the steam condenses are focused by the chamber to blast water out of the back.

    Seriously, I know its hard on a topic like this.
    Does anyone know the pressure the ecat can build and sustain?
    Could it run on filtered seawater? freshwater? From what I understand… reactor gets hot, add water, water boils.. why cant you build up a head of steam and zoom about in your ecat powered steam jet boat! sounds very steampunk doesnt it???
    This tech article came out in 2003 and nothing has happened with it. Lets hope Rossi gets his act together.

    • Tom

      I presume that is exactly one of the uses we will get out of LENR. Pretty much anything that runs on heat (cars, planes, trains, lightsabers etc.), with modifications, will work on LENR. And from what Rossi would have us believe, his act is very together.

  • Petrol

    Lately I’ve been wondering if the e-cat in its present vision as a heater only can really put a significant dent in our utility bills.

    According to the latest interview 10kw e-cat needs about 2.7kw for 1hr input to start the reaction and go into self-sustaining mode. Given this you will need to have it up to temperature in a standby mode 24×7 to keep from having to repay the startup power penality.

    Keeping an e-cat up to temperature in what I assume will be much less power hungry self-sustaining mode 24×7 will require ???? watts continuous consumption?

    If your energy demands are significantly less than the 10kw model say during the fall or cold nights and it is not used regularly the energy cost to keep the e-cat spun up might become significant.

    Also need to consider heat from natural gas is at least 3 times cheaper than the same quantity of heat derived from electrical means. If the 6 to 1 COP figure I’ve heard is right it is only half as expensive as natural gas assuming e-cat and recharge is free. Depending on conditions e-cats could provide about the same effeciency as a ground sourced heat pump.

    • Daniel M. Basso

      By far, most of my energy bill is spend on heating (water and ambient). Leaving the e-cat turned on for 6 months for ~10U$ would save me around two orders of magnitude in money.

      • Daniel M. Basso

        Sorry, one order of magnitude… I would still have to pay for the installed capacity and general electrical use.

    • Rooster

      And why not keep it running at full capacity, converting any excess heat, counting inefficency in the conversion process, to electricity and then putting that out into the grid making a buck or twenty? Of course, if you can regulate the device down to where it needs “re-starting”, that would maximize your investment.

  • arian

    Direct link
    multielectron catalysis theory A possible theory for rossi reactor

    http://www.snapdrive.net/files/658133/Reaktor_Rossi.pdf

  • Brad Arnold

    The first step is successful commercialization, because then the mass media will spread the news far and wide. Frankly, I’ve come to the conclusion that people are hardwired to disbelieve LENR technology, and Rossi’s success at getting a high enough COP to make it commercial.

    While a LENR space heater would be great, I want a LENR portable electric generator – that would be super great.

  • arian

    A possible theory for rossi reactor

    http://viktor19451.narod.ru/Reaktor_Rossi.pdf

  • Lu

    Nobody knows how the E-Cat works–what the constraints and allowances are, how the reactor operates–so how can anybody besides Rossi really develop products for it? We found out yesterday it’s not appropriate for on demand water heating–who knew it takes one hour to activate the reaction (and maybe that long to shut it down*)?

    After listening to the Sterling Allan interview I have many questions about how the E-Cat reactor really works and I’m not talking about the science. It’s also not clear if Rossi will ever disclose this but rather he will use his new found knowledge from NI technology to develop new applications and continue to hide the actual operation of the reactor core behind the control technology. I guess he invented it, why not?

    Rossi is trying to get a head start on all of this, for fun or profit, in my opinion.

    *”If you do not need the operation you turn the E-Cat off, and after thirty minutes or one hour maximum, the E-Cat is turned off and consumes nothing.”

  • Kim

    A common space heater is the correct
    initial domestic product.

    It would demonstrate the science to the
    people, and enter the psyche of the people
    to prepare for the future of LENR.

    $250 for 3kw heater.

    Respect
    Kim

    • Moe

      I live in a Florida RV. My space heater looks like a small radiator made out of pressed steel. It has an electric plug and this operates a heater inside. I think it is filled with oil. Nights are cold here. My solar panel to car battery runs radio, laptop and LCD lights. I will happily pay $250 for a Chan I stick, coil, RFG replacement device installed in such a heater. This means I will be independent of Florida Power. I have a friend who lives on a boat. He would buy one also.
      Regards,
      Moe

  • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

    So I installed power on the ranch…

    http://tj.jtusz.com/construction/power/

    Cost me $9000 USD.

    Every day I listen to Rossi’s fantastic ideas about how he’s going to manufacture this or that or sell this or that convinces me more and more that I did the right thing by biting the bullet and paying Edison for expensive dirty power.

    • Howie

      All of this is BS. Makes the scientologists look like mental giants. This, LaRouche and Ed Fullman — and god know how many other wackos — are either seriously delusional (and believe all this)…they’re pranksters (taking you all on a ride)…or they’re sci-fi ‘imagineers’ who enjoy playing this lil game of “let’s pretend.” U made the wise decision.

      • Tom

        @Howie. Of course expensive dirty power is the only kind of power available on earth and we cannot and will not find better sources and upgrade. Afraid not bucko, that logic has been proven wrong before and is being proven wrong again, now.

    • Sparks

      You did the right thing. You will probably be in retirement by the time LENR is reduced to practice.

  • atanguy

    Don’t you need a source of electricity and 1 hour to start an E-cat?

    • Scott H

      I think a smaller, non boiler would reach temperature much quicker.

  • Scott H

    I love this idea. It would cost much more up front but very cheap in the long run.

    • Scott H

      I believe the cost for a 1KW heater would be about $200.00 because of the controller and materials.

      • joe

        All these theories and predictions on how the world will change due to the E-Cat while still the most basic question remain. Why no third party have been able to replicate the E-Cat to produce large amounts of excess energy.