Andrea Rossi Interviewed on the Smart Scarecrow Radio Show

Today Andrea Rossi conducted an interview on the Smart Scarecrow with Sterling D. Allan of PESN. The archived show can be viewed below.

‘Aussie Guy E-Cat’, a poster on the Vortex-l mailing list summarized the main points from the interview which are posted here

  • Peter

    In several reports of the ecat I have read that the reaction will transform the nickel into copper. But nowhere is it mentioned what happens with the copper. Are the amounts so small that the reactor will contain them for the lifespan of the ecat or is there something I am missing due to my lack of knowledge on the subject?

    Your thoughts?

    • http://martin.ankerl.com/ martinus

      I suspect the recharch-sticks will contain nickel, which is slowly converted into copper. This is just a few grams. Once most of the nickel has been converted, the reaction will stop working and that’s when you just take the stick out and put a new one in.

  • edog

    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/BusinessTravel/story?id=97719&page=1#.TxPABU8t0b8

    Here we go! Solutions abound!
    Im sure Ive got an old bathtub out in the paddock somewhere!

    • edog

      ok, simple way to make a turbine turn.. probably very inefficient but hey, electricity! and gets rid of all that really hot water! Im sure he said 120 degrees.. we are talking real world metric arnt we????
      and how about hooking one of these ecats up to the steam jet.. then bolting it onto my bathtub!.. I would only need 6 months of provisions and a compass.. Here I come Tahiti!!

  • Robert Mockan

    Rossi is making good progress and when he markets his product he will be putting a stake into the heart of fascists, socialists, and communists, who want to keep centralized control of the energy industry.
    Let us hope he succeeds, otherwise we might see a replay of another time when the development of technology was prevented. Progress denied, generations of people died.
    http://american_almanac.tripod.com/papin.htm

    • scott H

      The british have done similar with darwinism.

  • Sanjeev

    Zawodny issues a clarification on the NASA video.

    http://joe.zawodny.com/index.php/2012/01/14/technology-gateway-video/

    Thanks to AG from vortex for the link.

    • Robert Mockan

      Zawodny is in error to think that including proper citation or not in a presentation is determined by the technical proficiency of the audience. One does not need to defend giving credit, but one does need a credible explanation making excuses for not giving credit. Zawodny fails on both counts.

      • daniel maris

        It’s important to note that Zawodny has not resiled from any of his claims in the video. He can hardly do that as he presented the patent application to the US Patent Office. He’s not admitting to being a serial liar. So, all this so called “clarification” is about is discrediting Rossi – or at least denying you are giving credence to Rossi’s claims. And that may be the beginning of the official anti- Rossi campaign. Expect safety concerns to be used as a road block.

        • sparks

          Whoa, slow down. Zawodny is simply attempting to retain his scientific credibility, in the face of an unexpected surge of internet strap-hangers who are attempting to gain validation from a routine research video he agreed to provide some sound-bites for. Some folks on this website are developing a level of zeal similar to a religion, with all its logical failings. Don’t slip into paranoia, but rather, let the scientific process take its course. This (LENR) will take years to resolve into something practical.

    • daniel maris

      It’s not a clarification. His video was perfectly clear, as was his patent: LENR is a real phenomenon which can be applied to all forms of energy usage to the great benefit of society.

      It’s (a) an attempt at intellectual sabotage: undermining Rossi and (b) an attempt to change the mood music, so we get the impression he is backtracking, when in reality he hasn’t backtracked one word (and he can’t because the patent process confirms the reality of all he said).

      This stinks to me of someone being leant on.

      The fact that he refuses to take any comments shows that this is not a genuine attempt at clarification or open and honest discussion of this new technology.

      All we can be sure of is there is a HELL OF LOT of stuff happening outside public view: oil, gas and electricity companies panicking, national security agencies in a state of high alert etc etc.

      You can see this is bound to set up all sorts of conflicts, the main one probably being between those who see LENR as a guarantor of national security and those who see it as destabilising the world.

      Then you will have a conflict between the optimists who say this technology will dig us out of the depression in our economies and those who say it is going to collapse our economies as it will cause such dislocation.

      This so called “clarification” is the next big story. It hints at so much that is going on behind the scenes.

      This new technology is causing huge seismic shifts – and people’s personal petty jealousies will also get bound up. No doubt Zawodny wouldn’t mind receiving the Nobel Prize. 🙂

    • sparks

      Thank you, Sanjeev, for the link. Zawodny’s message is exactly as I have perceived as well. All along, Zawodny has come across as a well balanced, rational scientist. His latest post validates what I have been saying, which is that the video released by NASA is nothing more than routine gov’t lab updates on their research thrusts, and why they should continue to be funded. Folks, it is time to sober up and calm down, and settle in for the “long haul” on LENR research, giving it the time and care it needs to eventually bear fruit.

      • gérard

        you have all reasons, as the video is now a success on the Internet, NASA, and his superiors asked him to take a little distance on LENR … If NASA wanted to disavow the LENR, it would have made a statement against Mr. Zawodny official to deny his video. So I think it’s very positive …

  • Sanjeev
    • daniel maris

      The section on Underwriters Laboratories is a good indication this is not a fraud (if further indication is required). UL surely could not let a claim by a fraudster that they were checking out his product pass without comment. UL must ensure they don’t compromise their reputation in the slightest and there is no way they could afford to be seen supporting a fraud.

      • Sanjeev

        Only problem is – there is no proof that he has applied for any certification. Of course he is not going to send the copies of application or receipts etc to us, so somebody must find it out, if interested.

        http://ul.com/usa/eng/pages/

      • Lu

        It’s also not clear how far along he is. He initially states that he only “started certification process” which could mean a few emails/phone calls. Sterling Allen initially wrongly infers that Rossi previously stated he has submitted a unit to UL (maybe he has a priori knowledge?). Rossi never states that he has actually submitted a unit to the UL. At the very end SA congratulates Rossi for submitting a unit and Rossi says “Thank You, Thank You” perhaps confirming that a unit has been submitted.

        But my reading of the entire transcript with regard to UL is that no such unit has yet been submitted. Rossi never states that he has submitted a unit to the UL. I could be wrong here.

      • Wes

        Underwriters Laboratory is strictly concerned with the safety of a electrical product based on defined standards. A power cord connected to coat hanger, being a safe (and useless)configuration, would be eligible for UL approval, though there would be no U.L. validation of product functionality.

      • Ged

        There’s no way Rossi made the 1 MW plant we saw by hand by himself. He has to have people working for or contracted by him. They would be the ones who have assembled the E-cats and have seen if they are really working, and they’d also know the progress of most of these issues. If we can find one of them, we could get a lot of answers about if this is real or not.

  • Jesse

    Why does Dr Rossi who claims to have such affection for the United States let truthers like Sterling Allen interview him?

    • Francesco CH

      Probably because truters love their country FOR REAL.

    • Hank Mills

      So are you one of the brainwashed individuals that do not realize that 9/11 was an inside job? There is a multitude of evidence that much more happened at 9/11 than planes hitting buildings.

      Patriotic people support 9/11 truth.

  • Robert Mockan

    Rossi has described what is clearly design improvement in process. The start up time can certainly be reduced.
    The hydrogen storage and recycling compound may be alkali hydride, but I still think antimony hydride, that is a gas at the E-Cat operating temperature, is more likely. The comment about the nickel to copper transmutation being a “side reaction” is revealing. 511 keV electron-positron annihilation emission is characteristic of some weak nuclear reaction pathways. The Coulomb barrier being an asset is likely a reference to providing the required energy well for periodic barrier transparency that makes LENR possible in condensed matter. The catalyst is the key. Once the E-Cats are being sold any body will be able to take a reactor canister apart and have it analyzed to determine exactly what is the catalyst. A year or less depending on when the sales start, and the existing energy industry in going to implode, and the nickel hydrogen energy industry is going to explode. Great going Rossi!

    • Sanjeev

      Good guesses. H2 can also be in a something like a fuel cell format. Can’t say about recycling in the cell itself. The cell is going to be ‘refilled’ anyway.

      Yes, the secret will come out in first week of a product release. I’m very happy that he did not mention of any self destruct in home Ecats (unlike DGT). Once the mechanism is out, the LENR will progress exponentially.

  • Sanjeev
    • Sanjeev

      I’m trying to post a Slashdot link but its probably censored.

  • George

    What business is it of yours where someone builds their house? So long as it is not on your property, it is none of your business. If you want to worry about something, why don’t you worry about governments who have too much power to stick their noses into areas they have no business in.

    • Scott H

      You’re my hero George!

  • sparks

    More than ever, this does not sound like a viable household product. Just to keep it running would require 3 KW every 6 hours, which amounts to 12 kWh per day. That’s enough electricity to fully charge a Chevy Volt each day, yet all you get back from the unit is heat, and more of it than you need. (Net 240 – 12 = 228 kWh of heat). Natural gas is so inexpensive these days, and electricity so expensive, that you might be better off just using nat gas to heat your water and home.

    Assuming the sustainment problem can actually be solved, the best use for an eventual e-cat would be large-scale, centralized power generation. Spin-offs for home use, if feasible at all, are still looking to me to be at least 5 years out (again, if at all).

    • sparks

      Oops, I meant to say (in the second line) “require 3 kWh (not kW) every 6 hours”.

    • Scott H

      You can just let it run fulltime. When the house and water tank is up to temp have it automaticaly divert to an outside radiator. Even running full time it isn’t going to cost much.

      • sparks

        Yeah, but what I’m saying is, if all it does is generate heat (for water and the home interior), it’s not much savings over the status quo, which is, natural gas. Why? Because e-cat requires 12 kWh per day just to keep it boosted every 6 hours.
        So here are the options:
        1. Reduce the home unit to (say) 3 kW, hoping (of course) that the amount of boost energy required every 6 hours scales down accordingly;
        2. Just focus on large-scale, centralized power generation uses, where these problems can be addressed with engineering that works large-scale, but is not affordable for households.

        If we just let it run full time, with an outdoor radiator for waste heat, it may run afoul of environmental concerns, as suddenly we would have a new source of global warming as the device proliferated.

        Bottom line: Focusing on a household market is a force-fit. I still don’t even believe Rossi has all the technical roadblocks solved, and that could end up requiring expensive technology. But setting all that aside, having a unit that just produces heat makes it too limited, since conventional heating is already at about the same cost point of the advertised e-cat.

        • scott H

          I didn’t hear that it needed to be heated every 6 hours.

          • Kim

            Once the unit reaches
            critical temperature it
            runs continuously until
            the fuel is depleted or the
            unit is shut down.

            Respect
            Kim

        • scott H

          the effect on global warming from the ecat waste heat is more than offset by not using diesel to heat my home. the amount of waste heat created by drilling, fracking, production processing, transporting to refinery, refining, transporting to my home, then the waste heat from burning it.

        • Ged

          … What? Wow, you gave me a good laugh. It would cause global warming? My good sir, I don’t think you understand what global warming is! It isn’t an increase in heat on the plant, it’s a slow down of heat LOSS to space due to gasses re-radiating heat they observed from the surface in all directions–some goes to space, some goes BACK to the surface. As temperature rises, the amount of energy that’s radiated to space goes up by the fourth power of temperature, so the planet quickly reaches a new balance. An E-cat running for every person could not affect global temperatures at all.

          You should also think of things in slightly different terms when it comes to the energy use. For instance, it costs only 6.96 CENTS per kWh here in Missouri. So the E-cat will cost less than a DOLLAR to run per day.

          Now, contrast that to say my computer which has a 500 W power supply. It uses FAR more energy than 12 kWh per day!

      • daniel maris

        That’s a key point – when the cost is so slow, the run time is pretty irrelevant and you can buy two, to provide good coverage.

  • http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/25/new-phase-changing-alloy-turns-waste-heat-into-green-energy-exh/ dAnt

    New phase-changing alloy turns waste heat into green energy, exhibits spontaneous magnetism

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/25/new-phase-changing-alloy-turns-waste-heat-into-green-energy-exh/

    • Roger Bird

      That is very interesting.

      • Kim

        How efficient is it in percent?

        They never talk about this.

        Respect
        Kim

  • RottenApple

    Can’t wait to build a luxury hotel in the middle of Antarctica or to raise a farm in some desert.
    Maybe a ship at sea or in the air or an entire floating island; this is going to be sweet!

    • daniel maris

      You’re not allowed to build a luxury hotel on Antarctica – otherwise there would be one there by now! Wind and solar could power that.

      • Roger Bird

        In Antarctica, wind would be wickedly successful; solar would suck.

      • Sanjeev

        Solar power in Antarctica. You just said something more impossible than hot fusion. LoL

        • daniel maris

          Well these Antarctic base guys have just done the impossible then:

          http://cleantechnica.com/2009/01/22/antarctica-turning-to-solar-wind-power/

          Solar panels perform better in Antarctica than in London – and they are pretty useful there.

          Obviously you can’t use them in winter, but then I don’t think your hypothetical luxury hotel would be open in the winter months. 🙂

      • Scott H

        Icing is a huge problem on windmill blades.

        • Ged

          High wind speed is also a huge problem for windmill generators.

    • Sanjeev

      Floating countries are already being planned to escape the grip of politicians and rulers. The one by the founder of Paypal is especially interesting.

      http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/10122267/paypal-founder-unveils-floating-country/

      Once a free energy device is established , everyone would like to have their own tiny country, it will be possible.

  • Martin

    I can easily see quite large hot water storage tanks with an E-cat built in to the bottom. Hot water for taps could be drawn direct from the top of the tank and heating water for radiators via a heat exchanger coil in the top of the tank. The E-cat would just fire up as needed to keep it all hot.

    • Martin

      Perhaps the hot water output of the E-Cat could be valved to supply a mains pressure hot water storage tank. I don’t think the tanks are cheap, but the hot water is 🙂

  • Mark

    The statement that the Coulomb
    barrier can be used to the
    advantage of E-Cat knocked my
    socks off ! Can somebody
    comment about the possibility
    of such manipulation?

    • Robert Mockan

      To make a long story short, the Coulomb barrier has elasticity for charged particles that enables building a resonance condition when oscillating among barriers. That correlates with the Debye wavelength. The increased amplitude of oscillation coupled with periodic quantum conditions that occasionally disallow rebound from the barriers results in moments when the “barrier” simply becomes transparent to electric charge, in accordance with the Pauli exclusion principle. That principle states that no two fermions can have the same quantum state when entangled. At those moments one can have nuclei fusion, as the charged nuclei approach within the near field for fusion, since they are no longer kept separate by the barrier, and also have enhanced probability for alpha and beta decay.
      This is one of the two main hypothesis that can explain “cold fusion”. The other is the Widom-Larsen hypothesis, that also relies on the Coulomb barrier spring like elasticity for charged particles. But in the WL hypothesis a quasiparticle called the plasmon causes electrons with an energy different from static charge sufficient to balance the combining with hydrogen nuclei, that are protons, resulting in a virtual neutron existence, that is called the ultra low momentum neutron. It has no net charge, and causes nuclear reactions. The WL hypothesis has some serious problems with it. Personally I’m more inclined to accept the transparent barrier hypothesis.

      Both hypothesis, however, rely on the Coulomb barrier to make them work.

  • daniel maris

    No one seems to be talking about electricity generation . I am v. interested in that. Does anyone think Rossi could be close to cracking that problem? I think he has made optimistic comments previously.

    • scott H

      It sounds like he has spent a lot of time on it. that would be an enormous benefit to me here in Alaska. Any extra electricity will be bought back at 13 cents per kilowatt hour. that would pay for the machines in only a couple months

      • daniel maris

        Your only problem would be that at some point the electric price would collapse!

        I foresee electric companies will impose extremely high standing charges – after all they have to pay for the grid somehow.

  • Pipmon

    My last post was not intended to be of the ‘gloom and doom’ type at all. I am very optimistic and hopeful of good things to come should Rossi’s device pan out. I’m only pointing out some things it might be prudent to think about beforehand.

  • Pipmon

    This overwhelming desire to have a completely ‘stand-alone’ capability for maintaining one’s “fortress” is to my mind not a good thing. It portends serious problems, should the technology become viable, for all of the world’s remaining unspoiled areas!
    Can you imagine 7 billion people with essentially no restrictions on where they may choose to place their “home”?
    I think we’d better start thinking about that.

    • daniel maris

      One plus point though – we can get rid of the huge pylons that disfigure our countryside – also wind turbines woudl go (though personally I am rather fond of those).

      • Roger Bird

        There used to be a madly barking dog living behind me. I came to hate that dog so much that I threw rocks at him/her. One day, I came to realize that no burglar would ever be coming across that fence of the house that that dog live at. I suddenly became very fond of that dog.

        Your fondness for windmills is because you think that they are saving your planet and your neighborhood. When that is no longer an issue, you will be glad to get rid of those unnatural eye-sores.

        • daniel maris

          Thanks for telling me what I think and why…er…but you’re wrong.

          I like wind turbines seen from a distance for their slow graceful motion and aesthetic design – quite different from pylons. In many locations they improve the look of the place. I wouldn’t want them in the middle of the Lake District of course. My liking for them has nothing to do with avoiding carbon emissions.

  • arian
  • Jimr

    Am I confused, it would take about 25 amps at 115 volts for about an hour to start a ecat. If it is as small as they say, what type of heater could be inserted in it. And if you had a 1 meg unit with 300 Ecats you would need to start them sequentially, the current draw would be tremendous.

    • John A

      This is incorrect. 2.7 to 2.9 kWs needed for 1 hour to start the home 10 kW E-Cat.

      • Jimr

        John, I Realize that, but from following this for almost the last year,it appears that all of the Ecats (.plumbing/pipe) wise are the same. The difference was the control of them (hydrogen pressure/heat input) I jrecall reading some time ago they required 20-30 min’s to bring up the 2-4kw units.

    • Thomas

      Where’s the problem? Most heaters have 2kW

    • Marius

      Well, most likely the heating elements are wrapped outside the replaceable pencil-shaped core and therefore in a cold ecat must also heat up all the water in the water jacket for the core to reach operating temperature. Just my guess.

      • Jimr

        Good thought, I was assuming heat element on inside.

  • Allen Perry

    A large majority of homes in this country are heated by gas forced air furnaces. How can this work for them?

    • Jimr

      I have thought about that also. You would need some type of heat radiator inserted in the heat ducts and a blower control other than the furness.

  • arian

    #

    summary of interview by Paul from ecatnews.com

    * 2007/2008 started getting LENR reactions. Sold other businesses. Asked Prof Focardi through Uni Bologna
    to answer why his system/idea could not work. Bad news,Focardi saw no reason. Professor Focardi helped with radiation and safety.
    * Intention to produce energy useful for industrial applications
    * Distinction between industrial and domestic units.
    * Size about box of cigarretes. Powdered Ni and compressed H and catalyzer
    * Low energy Gamma heats lead andlead heats water outside reactor
    * For 1MW with ‘thin’ amount of H and Ni… Theory soon… Understood well.
    * No gas (exhaust) waste radiation etc – clean. No danger of meltdown – no radioactive materials
    * Should temp be too high Ni melts and stops working switches off
    * 1st gen ecat heated facility for two tears but that facility now sold. However ecats at present working continuously in tests.
    * Only heat – 1 to 2 years for electricity
    * 1 gm of matter (Ni or anything) 23,000 MWH of heat energy – if all global energy is eCat, still only 1% world production of Ni
    * Few public tests in past but make tests every day in production
    * Started UL tests
    * Prepping robotised factory for 1 million cats in US – love US – First factory in Florida. Now important to push price down. Want $500 tag. Hence robots and well-designed manufacturing lines
    * Will soon have lots of competitors.Trying to head off future reverse engineering by countries not respecting rights. Foresee China or other countries will do this – can’t compete on price – have to fight them with improving tech. You will be surprised at the high level of easyness for the eCat systems.
    * Study Solyndra and other companies to anticipate war (it is a war). We want to win.
    * Without catalyst it does no work. Many attempts in past did not work without catalyst. Once millions out there, simple for any lab to know and copy hence low price and engineering strategy
    * RFG – confidential but like oriental martail arts – forces that should fight against us (coloumb) used to help instead. Effect turn theoretical disadvantage to advantage
    * NI – helped enhance stability. This is useful in future to get electricity. Need 400 deg (Celcius) at least. Unstable reactor at that temperature. Currently up to 120 celcius stable. Now no power spikes. In theory, can put in series to get high temp but then unstable. Tremendous help from 1MW customer and NI (NI philosophy is to teach how to fish – this from NI first meeting when company man said they want to improve the technology together)
    * UL – exactly as it will be as sold. Has been assembled to instructions given by UL engineer
    * Many people complain we don’t go to conferences and tests but need to work. Have fast roadmap. No time to lose. NI is very fast in everything.
    * Looks like a small portable computer. Apply it to any existing heater. Like software that you can insert into any kind of computer. Any installer can insert it into any type of heater anywhere in the world easily.
    * Cannot get heat on demand. Response time too slow. For sanitory water (shower or hand washing) use normal system but to heat a resevoir tank or for warming home in winter the eCat is good.
    * Still looking at preheating water for commercial power plant elec generation. Problem with authorisation. Any changes to their system requires complex authorisations. Tech wise it is easy but administratively difficult.
    * 180 operational days. Use eCat for 1 month per year and will last 6 years. Put on for half hour and switch off and it effectively uses nothing.
    * Assistance point close to customer. They will supply refill. Customer can change or call in plumber. Very easy – old cartridge sent back for recycling. Retreat Ni in the old cartridge to become new and then put back in operation. A cycle of cartridges in exisence.
    * Because it can be fitted to any type of heater you can go to your normal supplier (hence supplier will always be close to you)
    * Next week will be in Boston to talk about another possible manufacturing plant
    * Hydrogen cannister? Big surprise. Very likely will work without seperate Hydrogen cannister. Resolved problem by putting a substance inside reactor to produce and recycle Hydrogen. Picograms of H used. Originally, getting certification was big issue. Without H cannister, this is no problem.
    * Instead of using pressure of H as control, now solved problem by using heat.
    * $10 per recharge
    * Automation gets price low. Everything automised to max level. Cut time and cost of assembling.
    * Organising network with licencing agencies and sell directly on Net. Also asking customer to put in touch with installer to build network close to customers.
    * eCat will go self-sustain when system decides it can. All automatic. Like elec car control system that decides if petrol or battery power at any instant. Invisibleto and not the choice of owner. Once in self-sustain mode, small input for control and any fan etc
    * Gamma radiation. Transmutation Ni to Cu is side effect. Evidence of 511 kEV gamma at 180 deg electron positron (antimatter) production. [This is interesting].
    * 1MW in modification with NI – new control system now in operation. Customer happy at test with condition that gaskets are sorted etc. Will be in operation in 1 month max in the field of customer
    * Other 12 systems underway
    * Bound by NDA can’t talk about customer
    * Another 1MW sold. Plus many, many in discussion
    * The Colonel has big experience in power plant and thermodynamics helping us get electric generation sooner than expected
    * Start up energy – every 10kW 2.7 (to 2.9kW) power input for activation. This takes around one hour in domestic eCat.
    * Only one reactor in Home unit
    * Patent in Italy – took two years
    * Int and US still pending. Can’t know when and what will happen regarding patents. ~Does not depend on them. Patent attorneys working on it.
    * On giving tech to world (open source). Not the best way. If you take all incentives away from investors will be no investments. If want to make something beautiful for mankind, this way is efficient. Giving away would be worst way. Open source and copying becomes worthless if the eCat has best tech and very cheap.
    * Testing U of Bol and Upsalla. Working on it. Very close to be started. Tremendous amount of work to do recently in small amount of time. Need time to work on it. Should be by February.
    * Never comment on competitors (BL Power etc)
    * No more public tests. Everything goes into preparing for mass production and working on technology
    * Once small eCats on sale, everybody can buy one and make any test they want.
    * Start production in Fall. Will have ready all engineering to start production. Sales in winter. Now ’till fall, prepping factory
    * 1 Million units per year
    * 3 to 5 years – depends on market – difficult to predict production rate
    * Investing? What rate will you consider? This is a hypothetical question. When producing 1 million pieces, they will be a warship. Not want to put at risk family savings. Enterprise still risky for many reasons. Can accept investments from big organisations (amounts that are small for them). Hedge funds etc: anything goes wrong, no one will cry. Too early for people to invest in our business. Not consolidated enough for that risk. When well consolidated, will go public.
    * Thousands of supporters who want to assist. Any way for them to help? Working hard to make low price so it will pay back itself quickly then 30 years saving on fuel. Good way to help is to preregister interest in buying 10kW plant. No money but offer later 400-500.
    * Taking enquiries for licencing. Send an email [email protected],
    or from eCat.com

    • http://yourmobilesite.net Your Mobile Site

      If the first E-Cats produce heat only, like you say in your summary they will, then I imagine power providers would adopt this technology before consumers do.

      They kind of have to. Because if I can buy electricity generating E-Cats a few years down the line, I wouldn’t need my power provider anymore.

      So why is Rossi aiming at consumers anyway? Why not sell E-Cat units to power providers so they can generate their power from those E-Cats?

      If enough power providers do this (and they will because they want to compete), the lowered cost of energy would definitely be noticeable by the power providers’ customers as well.

      • artefact

        Thats what the 1 MW e-cats are for.

        • http://yourmobilesite.net Your Mobile Site

          I suppose.

          Rossi says he keeps the price low in order to beat the competition.

          If Rossi supplies nearly all of the world’s power providers with his 1MW E-Cats, then he would quickly gain a monopoly.

          So why not focus on the mass production of those then?

  • daniel maris

    And what about electricity then? Was that mentioned.

    In some previous statement Rossi appeared to suggested that they had cracked the production of electricity. Is that development some way off?

  • Prof GNCK

    I take from this that the single e-cat unit will not be self-sustaining but will require 3kw.hr every 6 hours of operation. This could still be cost-effective depending on the relative gas- electricity costs. However, a pack of 6 x 10 kw e- cats would enable the system to be self- sustaining plus produce some additional electrical output for feeding back into the national grid. This, presumably would be the optimum configuration, especially for a large house or office/factory ia cold climate.

    • Daniel M. Basso

      I wonder what made you reach that conclusion. He specifically said it would be self-sustained. It would consume ~3 kW to reach that point, but after that you could leave it on for ~180 days without consuming more than the insignificant needed to feed the electronics.

      • Robert Mockan

        I suppose the design could be modified for remote areas off the grid to heat the reactor fuel canister with an external source, even a wood fire(?), to get it up to operating temperature to activate the nuclear active catalyst. After that electricity from the reactor system would be available. It would be an interesting design problem. What Rossi says about self sustaining operation after start up is most important. That means there really are no technical obstacles to preventing this technology from literally changing the world forever.
        Way to go Rossi!

    • mariora

      this is exactly my idea!!!
      6 ecats and you are competely free..

      w e-cat!!!

  • Lévi

    I would like to ask Mr. Rossi if the Ecat technology is so simple it could have been invented, let’s say, a hundred years ago or does it need recent technology to work? Does anyone know how and where this question can be stated, to have an answer from Mr. Rossi himself?
    Or has this already being answered. Or can anyone else do it? Many questions 🙂
    greetings

    • gerard

      very good question! Can anyone answer?

    • georgehants

      I asked Rossi some time ago if the great Alchemists of yesteryear could have discovered Cold Fusion, he agreed that it could have been possible.

    • Sebastian

      You can ask Rossi anything on his website journal-of-nuclear-physics.com. Just pick the newest blog entry and add a comment.
      I would be very interested in his answer since I have been asking this question myself.

    • John Littlemist

      AFAIK, E-cat technology is partially based on nanoparticle sized nickel powder. Producing of nanoparticles is quite new invention, it has not been possible to produce nanoparticles on 20th century.

      • Robert Mockan

        I’ve been curious about the nano particle aspect myself. Thus researched the alchemical literature and modern patents on making them. Tubes, flakes, spheres, and so on. Before modern terminology they were called colloids, and a variety were made by sparking between metals in water, with soaps to stabilize the resulting particles, and before electricity was discovered by reacting metal compounds with reducing agents.
        It turns out although viewing of discrete nano-particles had to wait until electron microscopy, a 20th Century invention, the making of nano-particles was being done hundreds of years ago. Today simple methods exist for making nickel nano particles of all shapes and sizes. But even hundreds of years ago colloids of precious metals, especially gold, were being made. Today there are a variety of methods that make nano particle nickel from nickel sulfate. The chemical compound nickel sulfate was known before the discovery of nickel in 1751. The chemicals needed to make nickel nano particles from nickel sulfate were avaialable in alchemical laboratories at least 300 years ago. Although the nano particles might have been made, and hydrogen was known before then by metals reacting with acid, the precise conditions for gas loading nickel were not available until the early 1800s. There is enough information in the historical records to make some fascinating
        reading.

    • Robert Mockan

      I think the LENR phenomena of heat generation could have been observed centuries ago without knowing
      what was causing it. But nickel was not discovered and purified until 1751, so the specific nickel and hydrogen LENR reaction probably would not have been observed before then.

  • Varoutsas Thanasis

    An unexplained question.

    For all last year I follow the progress of the miracle, called cold fusion, occurring primarily by Mr. A. Rossi, particularly domestic heating appliance- the e-cat. Most of my questions have been resolved by the answers of Mr. Rossi except the following:
    The device that now heats my house consuming LPG obeys five thermostats starting and stopping several times a day. What is similar for e-cat device? Obey the thermostats and if so, it will be an issue the great time and the large consumption (about 1 KW) of conventional energy needed to restart. Should it be connected to an external element (e.g. fan coil) to give the surplus energy to the environment, in order to be able to work continuously?

    Thank you for your answer in advance

  • mariora

    Rossis’ interesting talk points:

    Fuel lasts 4,320 operational hours (180 days at 24 hours a day).
    2.7 to 2.9 kWs needed for 1 hour to start the home 10 kW E-Cat
    Every 6 hours 1 hour must be heat the resistance in order to guarantee stability in the reactor.
    This hour will eat 3KW..
    So you will need at least 6 ecat running in parallel to be absolutely independent..
    When electricity wil be produced it will probably have a gain around 15%, so 1.5KW/h per ecat, leaving out 8.5KW/h of thermal energy.
    With 6 ecat running in parallel, you can have 9KW/h of electricity which may be used this way: 3KW to sustain ecat operation and 6 KW for your needs or to sell them on the network/market.
    The remaining are 51KW of thermal energy.
    What can yo do with that energy???
    For sure you can have some boiler to heat water for personal use (shower, washing hands, domestic uses). These boilers accumulate heat water, but at a certain point heating will no longer be necessary (at least until the internal water temperature will go down a certain level..). This can be solved simply with some easy valves today..
    Then you can have a heat pump in every room of your home, which will use the heat to cool down the temperature in the summer and to heat the home in the winter.. also here, at a certain point you will need to turn them off because you reached the desired temperature..
    But still you will have much heat available..
    There are people that will use that to heat a pool or a hot thub, but still I think is not enough, and we will need to dissipate all that excessive heating in some other way.. May be we can create a sort of network for a certain number of houses working together and sharing the heat pipes and also electricity..
    Or the actual electrical company may provide very cheap electricity and use the heat to provide big city with tele-heating..
    It’s a pain that one should waste so much thermal energy.. hopefully someone will invent a thermal/electric exchanger with a huge gain.. that will be the next big step..

    • Prof GNCK

      With two ecat units producing 3 kw, could the required electrical heating of 3 kw every 6 hours be supplied to produce a completely self- sustaining system?

      • daniel maris

        I was just going to suggest that Prof…what’s wrong with two units, as long as they each individually big enough to supply your needs.

        • mariora

          For what we know so far, every ecat requires 2.7 to 2.9 KW in input for 1/6 of the working time.. so if you want to run it in selfsustained mode, that is 24×7, every 6 hours you must supply around 3KW per 1 hour.

          Given that so far Rossi told that the electric generatr will have a gain of about 15%, it means that every ecat will be available to generate 1.5KW of electric energy.
          You need 3KW every hour for 1 ecat, and need 2 ecat to produce that energy.. 2×1.5KW..
          So, to have a selfsustained plantand also enough energy to run everything electrical in your house i think yuo ma need at least 5KW.. so 5 for the house (at its max obviously) + 3KW for the ecats means you need to produce at least 8KW..
          So my idea is: run 6 ecats.
          6X1.5 = 9KW of electricity produced 24×7 (hopefully when the module will be available the gain obtained will be much more than 15%, but let’s assume the worst case scenario with just 15%).
          This will also produce 60 – 9 =51KW of thermal energy. you can then use this energy for something else (heating and cooling the house, sanitary water, heat the water for a pool, run a greenhouse and or a huge refrigerator), otherwise you will need to throw this away..

          this if you want a completely independent house.. ma be the actual electric company will provide energy at a very low cost using ecats so that you can send in 3KW in the ecat every time you start it..

          • Robert Mockan

            Here is a thought. If individual homes have their own power being generated by E-Cats, the owners can leave the E-Cats on continuously and sell excess power back to the power company. At a mark up of course. After all, power companies have a history of price gouging consumers. I think it only just we should price them out of business.

  • Dario

    I have heard the interview, I am italian and understand rossi very well when he speaks english . I confirm that Rossi said that the E-Cat will only be used forheating, NOT for hot water. Reason is that e-cat is not fast enough to react to quickly whenever temperature drops.

    • daniel maris

      I;m not saying you are wrong – I only heard part of the interview where there seemed to be some translation/interpreting difficulties going on.

      However, I don’t see how that makes sense. If you come in from the cold you need to switch the heating on in your house. You don’t want to wait an hour just as with wanting hot water for your shower.

      With efficient lagging water stays hot for several hours. What temperature do most people have their shower at? Can’t be above boiling. I’m guessing at maybe 40 degrees celsius.

      Also, the power is so cheap, what is the problem with running two e- cats constantly and venting the heat when not needed?

    • artefact

      He wanted to say that it can not be used like a gasboiler where the gas just burns on demand when u use the water. The ecat needs 1 hour to start up. You can store the hot water of course like it is done in my country normaly..

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        So you’re saying the E-Cat would not work like a ‘tankless water-heater’ for instant on-demand hot water, but would be good for providing a tank of hot water. Most homes in the USA use hot water tanks.

        Since the E-Cat has a slower response, you’ll need a larger tank.

        • daniel maris

          A tank will certainly be an additional expense by the sound of it, but of course, many homes, perhaps most, already have tanks.

  • arian

    rossi said in his interview he use RFG for reaction “the RFG helps the Coulomb barrier work with the reaction and not against it”.

    from Aussie Guy E-Cat

    What I learned from the interview.

    10 kW home E-Cat is the size of a portable computer.

    Rossi calls the recharges “Energy Sticks”, fits with the ball point pen refill statement.

    Replacement is simple and can be done by anyone.

    No H2 canisters used. Reactor stores and recycles the H2. Only uses picograms of H2.

    Reactor control is via regulation of operational heat point.

    Fuel lasts 4,320 operational hours (180 days at 24 hours a day).

    E-Cat will signal when refill is needed.

    Customer can purchase several refills and keep them in stock.

    Cost of the refill to the customer will be $10 plus installation if needed.

    Will be available via internet sales.

    Home units will run in self sustain mode.

    512 keV 180 deg Gammas have been detected.

    1st 1 MW plant is in modification. Should be operation in 1 – 2 months.

    12 additional 1 MW plants are being built.

    1 additional 1 MW plant has been sold to another customer.

    UL certification of the home E-Cat is in process.

    2.7 to 2.9 kWs needed for 1 hour to start the home 10 kW E-Cat.

    Home E-Cat has only 1 reactor.

    Rossi claims the RFG helps the Coulomb barrier work with the reaction and not against it.

    First E-Cat factory is in Florida. Rossi is going to Massachusetts to further discuss building another E-Cat plant there.

    Home E-Cat production will start in the US fall. Sales will start in the US winter.

    Rossi is not interested in family investors as the business is still risky.

    Large hedge funds are welcome but only with a small % investment.

    Does plan to go public.

    Home E-Cat has a 30 year expected life.

    Customer price between $400 to $500 for a home E-Cat 10 kW thermal unit.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5cG-36Bag

    • londo

      pico-gram of H2 and 6MeV (according to Rossi) per reaction amounts to 0.5J of energy. Sure it uses only pico-gram of H2, per hundreds of microseconds.

  • Kim

    People need to consider the service Andrea Rossi
    has provided on our behalf.

    We should all be grateful for men of this caliber.

    If he accomplished nothing further, he will have
    brought to the conscious awareness of scientist
    world wide the veracity of a new fire

    Respect
    Kim

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  • daniel maris

    Well! – hasn’t this been the best week ever since Rossi’s initial announcement!

    I feel the sceptics have been decisively routed. Of course there is no absolute guarantee Rossi will deliver on all his claims, but if he does not it is not because LENR is a fantasy, that much is clear.

    I am now fairly confident Rossi will have a significant production operation in place by the end of the year.

  • daniel maris

    Wolf on Vortex comments that the E cat will only be used for home heating not for heating hot water for showers etc. I think he’s got that wrong – pretty sure Rossi said it was for both, just that there would be two water feeds I guess.

    • e_del

      no, he said that at the moment e-cat has not the elasticity to provide hot water instantly e.g. for a shower, so at the moment a second traditional instant heater (electrical.. gas poewered.. whatever…) will be needed.

      • Martin

        If your on a combi boiler, as many in the UK are, I don’t see a problem in turning off the domestic central heating side of the boiler and flowing the water through Rossi’s boiler instead. It will probably need it’s own circulating pump, and that maybe external, but use the excising expansion tank in the combi.

        • Karl A

          In spite of the fairly slow on/off functions I’m pretty sure it is durable to support tap type of warm water. For example in some of the colder areas of Sweden I’s not uncommon to heat up a tank of water once a day (with wood) for heating and tap water. It should be pretty easy to design a special buffer tank for tap water that is heated through a separate e-cat for this water and one for the heating. Or perhaps one e-cat that heat both water demands separated outputs through a heat exchanger. To me it seems like a fairly simple plumber issue to solve. exchanger

          • daniel maris

            Yes, that’s along the lines I was thinking.

          • Alain

            that is the standard way to use electricity to heat water (in france).
            we call that accumulation/storage water heater (storage water heater).

            at night when electricity is cheaper, it warm the watter (eg: 150liters) to 60 degrees, and wait for next nigh (or earlier if user ask)

          • Alain

            by the way, similar to storage water heater,
            there is a growing case of storage room heater using heavy ceramic/metal radiators.
            the heat is very conmfortable, but today the cost is awful because it demand very good controlers.

            maybe e-cat slow reactors could feed accumulation systems of heating.

            moreover since you don’t need to wait for night price, just 1-2 hour, it can be smaller and simpler than usual storage heater systems.

      • artefact

        you just need a hot water storage tank like it is normal in my country

      • daniel maris

        I think this is a cultural misunderstanding. In Italy accommodation is v. cramped. I wouldn’t be surprised if there most apartments have “hot on demand” Geyser style systems. But in the UK, most properties have hot water tanks of one type or another. It defies sense to say the E cat can’t make the water hot for those. I really think something was lost in translation.

        • Aussie Guy

          What Rossi said was the E-Cat can’t switch on and off like a gas flame in an On Demand gas hot water heater.

          I would say heating a water tank would be fine.

          There are many ways to work with the dynamic energy generation and load regulation profile of the home E-Cat.

          I have already designed a system to provide hot running water, hot radiator heating water, hot air to be ducted into an existing or new HVAC system and 3 Ac kWs of electricity.

          Rossi has also stated the home E-Cat can run at 200 deg C while being very stable. That is hot steam and opens the door to electricity generation. While not too efficient at such a low steam temperature, it can be done.

          Feeding 2 x $500 10 kW steam home E-Cats into a common heat exchanger / steam generator should allow around 3 Ac kWs to be generated. 20 kWs at 15% efficiency is 3 Ac kWs. Cheap enough to add another home E-Cat if the final efficiency can’t make the 3 Ac kW goal.

          The waste heat from the 2 electricity generation E-Cats would provide all the heat a home would need.

          I’ll know more when I get the 10 E-Cats I have ordered.

          Yes I do plan on having my home 100% E-Cat powered and running isolated from the water, gas and electricity supply grids.

          • Aussie Bloke

            An obvious application of waste heat from E-Cat would be not only to feed HVAC systems with absorption coolers, but also Stirling Engine electrical generators (Google WhisperGen) using air, helium, hydrogen, nitrogen or commercial refrigerants as working fluids. The hotter the E-Cat can be made to run, the more efficient the Stirling engine hooked to the heat output (minimum temp differential between the hot and the cold end of the Stirling engine should be in the order of 260 deg C, the greater the temp difference the better)