Your E-Cat Predictions Invited

The appearance of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat invention on the world stage is generating a growing amount of interest and many people are convinced that this technology, and other related LENR technologies will have important implications for the world. I thought it would be interesting and useful to provide a permanent space on this site where people can post their thoughts about where they see this technology going, and how it might impact the future of society.

So if you feel inclined, please feel free to visit the newly-created “Your E-Cat Predictions” page on this site and put your thoughts in the comments section. I’m sure there will be a wide variety of opinions — which is fine — but please try to keep your comments civil.

I have been impressed with many of the contributions that readers of this site have made — we’ve had many interesting and perceptive comments, and some stimulating conversations here. Thanks to all for enriching E-Cat World!

  • Nixter

    I asked Rossi to make a prediction, he did, question and answer from his Blog.

    Question From: Nixter;
    December 15th, 2011 at 12:59 PM

    Mr Rossi, I noticed that you have been very accurate in your predictions and estimates related to your E-Cat invention and it’s deployment. As many times before, when you said that you planned to perform a test on Oct,28th,2011, you did so on time, you have kept your word, you did what you said you would. With this positive pattern of behavior of yours in mind, I ask, can you please say (predict), when, do you think your E-Cat will be recognized as 100%,(OK 90% is good enough!), legitimate and functioning? How do you think this will happen? How much time will it take until we can know that their are multiple owners of your 1Mw plants that are happy and satisfied?

    Answer From: Andrea Rossi
    December 15th, 2011 at 3:55 PM

    Dear Nixter:
    Thank you very much: I am delighted to see that you noticed that I always do what I say. It has been, as I already said, the most important lesson I got from my father: ” Think well before saying a thing, but once you said it you have to do it”.
    The answer to your questoion is simple: the more plants will be in operation, the more this tech will be recognized. Too much persons are talking where it’s just matter of working. I think in a year the revolution will spread. We are working much more than you can imagine and making extremely important allegiances.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    He really has been faithful to his timelines and predictions in the past, so I think you can take this prediction to the bank, in one year we should be in an interesting position.

  • Prediction

    Prediction.

    It’s a scam. It will go on for a while with more claims
    of production (where? by whom? Who ordered 10000 devices? Why does no-one else know where to order one???)

    Then people on this website will give up checking for more news that does not arrive.
    There will be complot theories about how Rossi was ‘silenced’ by ‘Big Oil’.

    There is one thing that will not happen: Not one believer will ever come back to this site and say: “I have to admit I NEVER saw any concrete evidence of an E-cat”.

    • EnergyGuy

      You may believe it’s a scam, because it’s what you desperately wish to believe. Neither you, nor anyone else can prove it. That doesn’t make me a true believer, because I do have a “polite” bit of skepticism on this matter, which is better than your calling it a scam.

      – Listen to me!!! You CANNOT PROVE it!!!!!! DAMN YOU for calling it a scam without incontrovertible proof.

  • Sparks

    I suggest everybody go rent the movie, “The Producers”, then come back with clear minds and reevaluate the style versus substance of Mr. Rossi’s public proclamations, demonstrations, and responses to questions. I’m sure you will draw the correct conclusions, at which point this website may cease to operate.

    “Sprrrring

    • Sparks

      “Sprrrringtime, for ….!”

  • http://Www.scam.com Mikey

    As long as Rossi does not allow a black box test everyone above dreaming, making assumptions and world changing scenarios should really take a step back. It is a scam. It is very easy to take a device to a notified body, where you can be around your invention at all times and have it tested (with a live video stream) as a black box. This would make things a lot clearer and will make scenarios like governements stopping Rossi, when it really works, impossible. In the mean time we should invest less in countries in southern europe and invest it in renewable energy systems 🙂

    • EnergyGuy

      “It is a scam”? PROOOOOOVE IT!!!!!!

      • Sid Davis

        Wouldn’t Mr. Rossi have the burden to show conclusively that his machine works instead of others proving it is a scam.

        For months I have been of the opinion that he will not allow independent verification in a long term test of input and output, simply because such a test would show no energy gain. Why hide every significant fact from the public and just make claims that cannot be verified if you really have discovered the Holy Grail?

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Rossi will outsource the production of his Ni/catalyst to Meow-Mix in Boston.

  • Wes

    Prediction: within the next six weeks an e-cat “insider” will come forward to reveal a major news story regarding Rossi’s operations.

  • LENR4you

    Dear Mr. Rossi,

    think not only in megawatts.
    Also µW are interesting.
    The world’s smallest Stirling engine measures a few micrometers. Built in Stuttgart Germany:
    http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-12-world-smallest-steam-micrometers.html

    That’s the advantage of LENR energy: Scalable Nuclear energy densities from µW to GW.

    Greetings LENR4you

  • Jesse

    Terraform Mars by melting all the ice on the poles.
    Is my logic flawed?

  • bkrharold

    I notice that nobody has mentioned what might be going in other countries, particularly China. They have a real problem, having a rapidly expanding economy and commensurate energy requirements. They do not have the luxury of arguing the finer points of nuclear physics. They will not be held back by skeptics or special interests in the USA. If this thing can be made to work, they will be all over it. Another country that comes to mind is Japan, given the recent tsunami which damaged the Fukishima nuclear plant. If either of these countries are able to beat the USA in deploying this new technology, we will be left in the dust.

    • Raúl

      If chinese goverment buy an e-cat they will have a copy working in two months 😉

      • Lagwin

        by working you mean exploding?…cause thats what happens to most of their knock offs

        • Raúl

          I mean chinese people are very good copying. They do not mind if the device copied is patent protected or not.

          • EnergyGuy

            … and if they buy a first copy, and try to backward engineer it, it’ll no doubt EXPLODE in their faces when they try to pry open the case.I hope it DOES explode in such a case.

    • scott

      I always thought China would be the best to exploit LENR for the same reasons. Sad but true.

  • Alexvs

    If I were not banned I would respond to the thread question that E Cat was a possibility, became hoax and will end as a fraud.

  • s

    Very few people are realistically considering the finances it will take to bring this to mass production. In a post, the Ecat inventor seems to state he plans to spend ~$500,000 or more of his own money for further R&D. I believe there was a recent post stating around 13 1MW ecats had been sold. This gives a gross revenue of around ~$26Million. Once one subtracts real world expenses of the above mentioned R&D, the costs to build, manufacture, and test the 13 plants, taxes, and (worst case) the inventor’s reimbursing himself for his own money invested in the project, the net margin can’t be more than about $5 or $6 million dollars. A net margin of ~20% to 25% would probably be considered good for this type of business.

    I bring this up because I cannot see where the money to build a modern manufacturing center is coming from. I leave it up to the reader to find out how much a manufactuing plant for anything costs right now. But it is doubtful that ~ $6 million would be enough. When an inventor has a device that is ready for production, they usually seek out venture capital to convert the device from prototype to something that can be mass produced and to mass produce the device.

    Given that other renewable energy companies seem to need $10’s to $100’s of millions of dollars to bring a manufacturing plant online, and given that the Ecat inventor seems to have stated he will only use his money for this project, it is difficult to see where the money to manufacture Ecats to scale will come from. This is true even if one assumes high net margins from the sales.

    My prediction is, if the Ecat actually works for more than a few hours, the inventor will have to prove the technology to Venture Capitalists (which is not as easy as finding 10,000 people to sign a form by the way) to have the money to bring the ecat to market quickly. Otherwise, it could take 5 to 10 years or more for the Ecat to make a dent if only net margin from sales is used to grow the business.

    My other prediction is that people may soon grow tired of all the constant claims about what the Ecat can do and what it will cost and demand proof and demonstrations that these claims are accurate.

    • Luca Salvarani

      To s on:

      The mass production is the last problem of the last problems.
      1) First of all Rossi is not obliged to manufacture the e-cat! Indeed in some posts he explained that he has outsourced the manufacturing.. and also the supply of some components for istance the control ones to a texan corporation (I don’t remember the name just now)… This is the most effective choice: other companies will manufacture e-cat! They already have large modern plants all over the world, the related infrastructure and supply network, skilled workers ecc… so this means less operative costs for each e-cat and a better margin for Rossi… and less waste of time (and so money) for Rossi: he can focus on key technological points and not on production which is very secondary.
      2) The numbers you pointed out (20-25%) are not right! You can’t calculate the operative margin considering entirely the capital expenses (such as R&D or plant costruction)… you should consider only a part of those expenses according to the amortization schedule.. The margin is likely much higher than 25%, I think at least 50-60%…. if e-cat works raise money would be very very simple! In my opinion Rossi has meant that FOR NOW he has been self-financing using operative cash flows (I can assure you this is the cheapest option since I’m specialized in finance, the oher beeing debt and equity = shares). I think Rossi could eventually self-finance also the mass production but it would be very inefficient: more operative cost per unit (so less margin), major capital expenses and related financial costs, more time to get the highest number of consumers…

    • s

      50 to 60% net margin, not gross margin, is probably too high for an Ecat startup. Apple, one of the most profitable companies on Earth, has a net margin around 20 to 25%. Exxon, an energy company, has a net margin around 8 to 10%. I was probably being generous to give a startup company an initial net margin close to Apple’s.

      The Ecat company in question is a startup with technology that still needs R&D, according to the inventor. So, the prototype that would be mass produced may not even be ready. Then, one of the most expensive steps is converting a lab prototype into something that can be mass produced. A high percentage of companies, including many renewable energy companies, don’t even make it to the mass production step as they find what worked in the lab is too expensive to sell in the real world.

      Keep in mind this work might need to be paid for with proceeds from the sales of the 13 1MW plants. So, I don’t see how this company could have an initial net margin over twice of what Apple has when the 1MW plants might still be partly built by hand and much R&D still needs to be done. This is just my opinion.

      • Luca Salvarani

        To s on

        1) Among other things: the sale phase isn’t finished, on the contrary it’s just began! Rossi can sell much more e-cats… not only 13 as you are assuming!
        2) Please don’t compare Rossi with so called “renevables” bullshits…. They simply don’t work and ever will not work!

      • Sparks

        s,

        Thanks for the clear thinking, something this website needs more of. E-cat is clearly a hoax from so many vantage points. Anyone with startup or industry experience will tell you that, even ignoring the fundamental questions it raises in physics, there’s no way this thing is moving forward.

        To better understand E-cat, watch the movie “The Producers”.
        “Sprrrringtime, for ….!”

    • Dave Harris

      Even if this device worked which I doubt. At the price he is charging per watt you could buy solar cells. Solar does work and it makes electricity directly instead of through a low efficiency heat engine. Current energy sources have nothing to fear from the Ecat.

      • scott

        Solar doesn’t even come close to the efficiency of a perceived Ecat. Ecat is a base power load because it puts out 24 hours a day, as apposed to solar that gets about 35% of its rating in a 24 hour period in a good area. My money will be on the Ecat here in Alaska.

  • Kim

    I honestly think the reason why Andrea Rossi
    is not Bolder, and has this infernal shyness
    is because the reaction has control problems
    and he is buying time to work it out.

    The machine has control problems and he
    is afraid it may at any moment cause a
    negative for him and his machine ect….

    Respect
    Kim

  • Steve Robb

    I noticed my posting was removed. Why?

  • http://www.lepost.fr/perso/sophareth/ sophareth camsonne

    Complex of superiority or stupidity? I cannot blame my colleagues
    Scientists neither mainstream masse- scientific medias being myself
    interested by Cold Fusion a little only 2y ago and truly since last Janv
    2011.

  • Brad Arnold

    “In Short, LENR , depending upon the TBD performance, appears to be capable of Revolutionizing Aerospace across the board. No other single technology even comes close to the potential impacts of LENR upon Agency Missions.” –Dennis Bushnell’s Sep 22, 2011 presentation

    I predict cosmpolitan space travel within my generation. Furthermore, the total replacement of fossil fuels for everything but synthetic organic chemistry.

  • Tom

    We could have another collapse of society and ruin another civilisation. Or, we could take advantage of what we’ve learnt and keep progressing. I for one don’t know whether the e-cat works or not and won’t for sure until I have one in front of me. But for what’s at stake, the least I can do is pay attention and hope against hope that we will make it happen.

  • James Rovnak

    I’m really optomistic about this and even more so after looking at Robert Godes URL http://www.brillouinenergy.com/ with the theory and practice reported in Technology section. Try the Ppt presentation with the sound on!

  • Dave

    It’s obvious to anyone with critical thinking skills that Rossi’s E-Cat technology doesn’t really work. If it worked he would have done anything to get reputable scientists to do a peer-reviewed independent test of an E-Cat unit. If it worked every Western government would be throwing billions of dollars at Rossi to get the E-Cats into mass production.

    My prediction: nothing will come of this.

    • Luca Salvarani

      To Dave:
      I don’t know it works or not… but there’s a thing I know: I’m not so sure, as you are, that Western government are eager for e-cat mass production… I have already pointed out several examples of significative related negative effects: a lot of companies would default, a lot ot financial assets would dramatically drop (this means less value for your savings and recapitalization of banks… another Tarp for example), a lot of people would be laid off, an huge fall of government revenues and a parallel increase of goverment expenses (for example safety nets for unemployed..). I’m assuming a quik spread because if it works and is so good as Rossi claim a mass production would allow it.
      Don’t thing only about ALL oil, gas, coal, so called “renevables”, pipelines, utilities companies, (however their financial assets and total employees are simply enormous!)but also companies of other sectors that work for those companies… for istance a software or database appatently “safe heaven” company that work for Exxon… and so on.. You should think that ENTIRE STATES are based on traditional energy.. so try to imagine the e-cat effects not only on their bonds, currencies (we are speaking about multi billion dollar worth markets! sorry but I’m just specialized in finance)… but also on their secutiry: many states, without oil related cash flows simply can’t feed their citizens… (the bread price increase is the real erason of middle east revolution not Obama’s bullishits)…..
      Are you still sure that governments would “throwing billions of dollars at Rossi to get the E-Cats into mass production”?

      • Tommi Elonen

        Please.. think larger.
        This E-cat, even if it works, is not doomsdaymachine for economy. It doesn’t do ANY of those overnight. It requires as much employees, as the old technologies. Old technologies would be gradually phased out, old nuclear plants would be shut down, and new E-cat plants would be created. Net workforce remains equal.

        Sure, a BALANCE of power and money would shift, but the same amount of power and money would still remain. Perhaps even in the same hansd, depending on how open the old power companies are for a chance, whether they can implement the chances, or whether new companies are needed.

        • Luca Salvarani

          To Tommi Eloen
          Clearly we are doing some speculations but I think you are absolutely wrong! And that’s why:

          1) The number of employees would absolutely not be the same! There’s simply no chance this will happen. E-cat manufacturing could be TOTALLY automated (My second interest apart finance and rugby is robotics) and the same for the fuel production… only the installation una-tantum phase requires employees for a very short period… and not particularly skilled so also not well-payed.. Maybe the recharge phase could require employees…at lease at the beginning! But Rossi can design e-cat in a way that allow anyone to recharge autonoumously simply installing new components and return the old one (like a battery)… this could be done using existing retailers, expecially supermarkets… so very few workers are necessary in the all phases. All this organization is necessary to keep e-cat costs the lowest possible for the final consumers, and to maximize Rossi’s margin. To speak frankly in the energy and related industy I think an employees net reduction of 60% is quite sure, and a reduction of more than 80% very likely…(not to speak about other industries that work for energy industry..). This will happen of course not immediatly but in not much more time.. we are speaking of some years, likely a decade on a worldwide scale but the impact of tens or hundreds of thousand of unemployed will de dramatic! For further explanations that fit this case and current work market trends you can read a very interesting e-book by Martin Ford “The lights in the tunnel”: there’s a free pdf on the net! It think it’s really illuminating.
          2) And this bring us to the second point: I think if e-cat is so good as Rossi said its spread would be very very quick! much more quick than we expect so the impact I have pointed out not so unlikely… It would be an easy and quick opportunity to make enormous savings so corporations and consumers will rapidly adopt it (I remember when oil price rose to 150$ some important airlines replaced all seats on their planes to save few money… now think about e-cat potential savings and how long they would wait to strongly adopt it)!
          For the financial aspects consider that markets ALWAYS price ALL assets assessing future perspectives! So you have an impact BEFORE, or even long before that perspectives turn out in real facts… we call this the “overshooting” technical speaking… anyway sorry for my not perfect english

      • HenryOlev

        I’m tired of excuses and conspiracy theories. It is always the boogyman with all the real power in the world preventing x or y. It is a good sign to see at least Rossi is busy making things.

        Industries rise and fall all the time. It is called progress.

        Any change in actual demand sure as heck won’t happen overnight. There is still significant demand in petrolium as a base for production of goods to keep the industry from ever collapsing assuming the technology is real and energy density is there to totally replace all hydrocarbons used for energy production.

        • Luca Salvarani

          To Henrylovel
          1) Mine is not a conspiracy theory! I think e-cat will spread quickly; I simple have explained why, in my humble theory, there will be many strong structural negative effects…
          2) As Johannes Hagel clearly has pointed out with very low cost electric energy you can produce cheap hydrogen that can replace oil for transport (mainly cars and so on), the bulk of its market! So at least there will be a tremendous fall in oil price… and many fields will be abandoned (for example “oil sands”, apart their tremendous and not charged environmental impact, are good with oil price at least 70-80…like the bakken field in North Dakota not to speak about shale gas that is greatly helping some american economies like Texas… Custorems’ big savings mean a terrific drop in revenues for somethers…

      • Sid Davis

        Was the discovery of oil doomsday for the economy of that day, or did it result in a significant increase in economic output?

        As far as whether Rossi is a saint or sinner, the verdict is still out, but if he were trying to look like a fraudster, he could not be doing a much better job.

    • Brad Arnold

      LENR using nickel. Incredibly: Ni+H+K2CO3(heated under pressure)=Cu+lots of heat. Here is a detailed description of the device and formula from a US government contract: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GernertNnascenthyd.pdf

      This phenomenon (LENR) has been confirmed in hundreds of published scientific papers: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJtallyofcol.pdf

      Here is a PowerPoint presentation by George Miley of the University of Illinois who has successfully replicated the LENR “cold fusion” reaction: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/mragheb/www/NPRE%20498ES%20Energy%20Storage%20Systems/Nuclear%20Battery%20using%20Clusters%20in%20Nanomaterials.pptx

  • Barão

    We should not expect much of Mr. Rossi. He does not care about the majority of human beings who urgently need a total change of the current scenario. He has sold himself to a military institution in the U.S., they will maintain their suppressed technology, Mr. Rossi will remain silent. He’s getting what he wants money to keep quiet, is a corrupt person like most of us. I follow the news E-Cat since the beginning of the year, was very enthusiastic at first, but gradually I noticed that Mr. Rossi was not willing to provide its technology to people. He sought a way to make money, this is your priority, he has no interest in the implications that LENR might have on the lives of billions of human lives. I expect nothing of Mr. Rossi.

    • http://www.choicedowsing.com kwhilborn

      I agree. If someone would prove this existed and licensed it instead of Rossis stupid business model to try to build every ecat in the world we would see both economic changes, and climate change, and reliance on oil wars, and smog deaths decline.

      Everyday this technology is kept at bay (if it exists) is killing people. He wants all the money he can get, with no care for the world.

    • MJS

      Of course he is interested in making money and what’s wrong with that? BTW, if you haven’t noticed this isn’t a “perfect world.”

      • Peter

        License without a patent? How do you make a living doing that? Or even recoup what you’ve invested? His IP would vanish.
        Also, the sheer numbers of requests will likely be staggeringly high by the time the home version is available. There is no reason to think that once he gets patent and approvals, he wouldn’t license from that point on. What makes us think that he wouldn’t move to an outsourced model after that happens? And when his technology is among the masses, in homes, I’m sure by that point there will be many more companies popping up with their own LENR home heater.

      • sapain

        when lenr comes out, money will become no existant. the world value is based on energy and energy production. unlimited energy equals freedom that equals no need for money. humanity will do things for pleasure and not for pain.

    • John E

      Pretty harsh words to use about a person when all any of us have to go on is speculation.

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  • Kim

    Free energy = Free Money

    The Banker could not survive.

    Both can not be. One must be eliminated…

    Respect
    Kim

    • Tommi Elonen

      I think you are mistaken. This is not FREE energy. It might be cheaper energy than currently on market, but not free.

      • http://blogg.vk.se/riskmanagement Erik

        In the long term it will be fre. With space travel to extract resources and automated machines to do the work, there will be no limits, thus not costs.

  • daniel maris

    First off as anyone can see, this technology is NOT free. It’s been offered at $2 million per MW – that’s expensive, not cheap and we have no fix yet on the operational costs.

    However, I do think LENR is real and I do think costs will come down rapidly to about 2 cents per KwH.

    So, I think the future could be very bright as this technology spreads. But I think it will be slower than people expect. It might take 20 years before it’s a significant part of our energy economy (because of the infrastructure costs and consumer conservatism).

    One possibility I see is that with energy costs down to 2 cents per KwH you can probably have agriculture anywhere at anytime – using energy to heat and light plants, to extract water from the atmosphere and to create soils artificially.

    • Robert Mockan

      True the technology is not free. But it is not the technology that will make one free. It is the process how to activate the nickel to release the energy. And energy abundance will equate to freedom. The nickel cost, and the activation process, Rossi has admitted adds little to the cost of the nickel metal. If anybody can make that fuel, the “technology” cost of using the fuel can be reduced through normal engineering design progress. Remember the first digital hand held calculators that were sold? I bought one for $200 back in the 1970s. It could do the arithmetic functions and had a Nixie vacuum tube display. Today you can obtain hand held math and graphic calculators that do all math to level of differential equations, and even have solver functions where it will provide the answer even if you do not know how to solve the problem! I picked up one last week as a holiday present for $19.95. 2 cents per KwH? Try .02 cents per KwH.

      • daniel maris

        Robert – Sadly not compatible. The E cat involves a boiler – basically Victorian technology with some refinement. You aren’t going to miniaturise the boiler.

        A boiler costs and has to be maintained. It’s not a negligible cost. Where the E Cat wins out is with its low fuel cost.

  • http://www.gravitymodification.com Greg Daigle

    Modern power distribution requires a transition from the current mix of systems to a true smart network to meet these future demands for the distribution of power. This new network, the “smart grid”, will allow advanced metering infrastructure (AMI) to smart consumer appliances and take advantage of new “distributed energy resources” (DER) from generators, plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHeVs), photovoltaic panels (PVs) and other local devices capable of sending power back to the grid when utilized with intelligent interfaces.

    The 1MW E-Cat power plants will change our thinking about the adoption of smart grid technologies in the U.S. Until now the role of DERs as a reverse energy flow for the power grid has been a relatively minor consideration in planning for the smart grid. The portability and continuous generation features of the E-Cats will change that.

    Owners of moderate sized DER generators such as 1MW E-Cats and even smaller units should be encouraged to take part in the energy marketplace as providers of power to small building grids or local neighborhood power grids (also known as hyperlocal grids.)

    The IEC standard moves the grid from static infrastructure and operation to a dynamic “living” infrastructure and “proactive” delivery management for electrical substation automation. Common data models and services based upon IEC 61850 include plug-and-play, security, interoperability and a uniform standard for engineering. ISO 9506 addresses messaging systems for transferring real time process data and supervisory control information between networked devices and/or computer applications.

    The goal therefore is not just to develop the E-Cat technology, but to also develop a robust toolbox of proven technical solutions enabling existing grids to accept power feeds from all kinds of small generation plants including the E-Cat and bundle it with automated metering services such as initiated by Google in their PowerMeter project.

    • GreenWin

      Greg, you make some very good points. I think however we’ll not see expansion of grids, smart or dumb. Rather the industrial grid of utility companies will be gradually replaced as distributed CHP units in residences and business are installed. Grids will remain to serve large industries only.

      The economics suggest that a 10kWh CHP system costing around $2,500.00 will provide an average home owner with all the electricity, heat and hot water they need at a cost of under 1 cent per kWh. Why does anyone need a grid? Grids are prone to failure, require (currently in NA) 600,000 miles of transmission cable, thousands of towers, poles, transformers, breakers, fuses, substations, backup systems – and are a security vulnerability and regular blackouts.

      Small, neighborhood UPS-style backup grids MAY have a market in the e-Cat/LENR world, but there’s no guarantee. LENR means true energy independence for billions of human beings. The grid resists that. We do not need to be tethered to grids or phone lines or coax cable for that matter (though this will remain awhile.)

      The days of copper wires delivering energy are drawing to a close. The industrial revolution will pale compared to this, energy revolution.

      • http://www.gravitymodification.com Greg Daigle

        Hi GreenWin,
        What you describe IS where this technology will eventually take us.

        But until significant numbers of E-Cat users detach from the grid why not sell your excess energy back to the utilities through their grid? That will not only provide an additional income source for E-Cat users to help defray initial costs, but also incentivize the utilities to curtail plans for new plants and even accelerate decommsisioning of power plants using traditional nuclear and carbon-based sources of power. And that can only happen if make the grid a two-way system.

        Best regards.

    • sapain

      i lived off grid. i had 600w of pv, a 400w wind mill and passive solar heating. i used batteries for srorage. i lost more energy than i could use due to not having large storage, i ran sat. internet and tv, gaming water pumps etc., point being no need for big utilities to control, home owners will sell back and bankrupt the utilites. cars will cost 5k and not 30k etc

  • Barão

    This video is very good, shows how LENR is being suppressed for years.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgV7fNO-2k

  • Barão

    A source of free energy, clean, inexpensive and can generate virtually unlimited
    changes in all walks of human life. Completely change the
    relations between human beings, particularly the power relationship between
    people. Energy added to human work means food in abundance,
    drinking water eradication of poverty in many places on earth. The system
    production we know today would undergo dramatic changes, the relationship
    working capital would be in a different perspective as the subservience of man
    financial capital to virtually disappear, the money would resume its place
    simple means of exchanging goods. The exploitation of man by man
    based on the scarcity of energy resources would no longer exist, the relationships
    work would be reset at new levels. The exploitation of resources
    natural and environmental pollution would have a drastic reduction, there would be
    release of enormous potential in new areas of research, accelerating our
    knowledge in other walks of human life. In short, you need a book to
    describe the possible implications, but the suppression of this technology has been
    strong and will continue to happen, everyone knows that LENR is real and viable, but
    continue to be suppressed for long. The only hope that we would
    an open source project where all the world could replicate the phenomenon
    quickly without the interference of the dominant corporations.

    • Robert Mockan

      I agree. That is why I do not expect Rossi will ever be allowed to reveal how he activates the nickel in the E-Cat so it can produce more power than other devices that were built in the past.

      The most valuable thing Rossi has is that process, that he says is simple and adds almost nothing to the cost of the nickel (that is very cheap anyway).

      That process, if revealed to people everywhere, would permanently destroy the plans the oligarchs have to rule the world. If any body can make the fuel, every body becomes free.

      I’m surprised he is still alive.

      • GreenWin

        He’s got powerful friends. In high places.

    • Hampus

      Inspiring words. This together with 3d printing and internet will be interesting. If we could make nickel everyone’s property we would have a truly free soceity(kinda what Marx was talking about :). Wonder how people will take it? Today people are told that the reason for living is work, what if no one have to work, or work very little?

      Who of us have not wanted to get rich? This invention will remove that word because every1 will be stinky rich (if we don’t let a company get monopoly over nickel).

      Now you don’t have to work with a job you don’t like, this will increase ingenuity. There are countless of examples that when you have enough money to live without working you create stuff people actually want. Open source will rule supreme!

      Inventions I am waiting to se are:
      Flying cars
      Space bases, lights from people living on the moon
      3d printing that can make all food and all products
      Small ecats that you can cary with you
      the singularity

      🙂 lets hope for the best, we are in for a wild ride

    • http://www.ConservativebedtimeStories.com Innocent

      I am sorry but in reality you have only taken out energy from the equation, which while awesome does not represent the kind of change you believe it does.

      What it does allow is more economic freedom, the ability to produce goods at a far more economical cost than what currently occurs and removes a constraint which hinders many economies.

      It would cause the opposite of what Marx spoke of however as wealth has little to do with energy and everything to do with the ability to produce, market, and exchange goods.

      Please go to economics 101, not to say you know nothing, more to say that your post does not outline that you have a full grasp of human interaction with each other nor the ideas that are presented from said knowledge.

      Cheap energy means cheaper opportunity for people to produce goods. Period. If this is true of course, which it may not be… must wait and see.

      • Hampus

        But what happeneds if we can produce everything we need at home? Then the power of production would be in the people’s hand, not the capitalist.

        • Luca Salvarani

          To Hampus

          1) Honestly I think you have a very distorted idea of how capitalism works or should work (because perfect free market doesn’t exist in the real world, and state intervention gets things more confused and complex to understand for average people) For example just free market forces propel lern researches, just free market forces are letting e-cat production costs to drop and more people to allow it… E-Cat is possible only thanks to the maket! It’s not a coincidence that all government backed technologies such as so called “green energy” don’t work and cost a lot… only free market can solve aur problems because it takes the best from all of us and give us the right incentives.. noboby, not even the best politician or the best manager could do better!
          2) Your idea of a self-sufficient people is very very far and requires enormous technology improvements… however all the technologies you are thinking (better say dreaming) about that surely tun our lives simple and get us richer (I’m obsessed by robotics) are and will be the results of free market that is really the greatest mankind’s ever invention. Let me correct you dear friens: if e-cat really works this would mean more freedom and more power for people and less for state bureaucrats, politicians, lobbies… these are our top enemies not capitalism! Please read some free articles from my former professor Luigi Zingales that now works in the US: free market is one thing, corporation’s lobbies or syndicates another one: the contrary of free market! Don’t blame free market, blame lobbies and politicians (Obama in primis that is lobbies’ best friend) and please explain this key concept to “Occupy Wall Street” unaware “friends”….

          • Luca Salvarani

            Sorry for my not perfect English: I mean “more people to AFFORT it” not allow… Expecially poor people!

          • Luca Salvarani

            It’s incredible.. another error: AFFORD! non affort.

          • sapain

            if all had a 10k lenr that would mean no utility, no gas stations etc., which in turn means no government agencies to reg and contoled these areas. so question is, how big would a nations government be and what would it be like.

          • Hampus

            Free market means power for the rich people. I agree that the political system we have today is bad, I would like a more direct democracy.

            I would say that the market is the worst system we ever had. We are raping everything in the world, we have no more land to farm, we have no more trees to harvest. and to think of the slave factories in china and India.

            How can you explain that the Nordics are the riches countries in the world but we are socialist? We have free welfare that comes from the rich people. USA is in the crappers, common people can’t afford schooling or health care. I would say that is against human rights. And it is not obamas fault it’s Bush and Reagan.

            Sorry but I was raised and born in a country that are ruled by social democrats and we seam to be doing pretty good :).

          • Luca Salvarani

            It’s ok! I don’t want to change your ideas. But let me ….
            1) If you are a civil servant you should give your citizens the best NECESSARY (no frills) services, at the lowest possible cost (for not discourage private create new wealth with higher taxes)! The US are spending billions of dollar in education with very poor results. That’s because the main goal is not get effective cheap services but to enrich some public bereaucracts and ineffective public employees… In the education field you can provide ecceptional quality service at very low cost to anyone (same high quality for all, expecially poor means “equality in the possibilities” and a way for those billiant but poor people to emerge…), saving billions of dollar! How? with e-learning! And who has been developing this? Certainly not the state! but the private sector (for istance Khan Academy funded by private funds and other private universities)… it’s great expecially for poor people that can’t afford expensive education… but a really nightmare for bereaucrats and public teachers (exactly the Obama costituencies)! So who really help poor people?
            2) Health care is a very complex topic.. so I don’t deal with it now… Let me say only one thing: I live in the most advanced and affluent part of Italy, the North (close to Rossi’s facility)… and when I need health services I’m forced to go to the private ones… due to the inefficiency of state health care (not to speak about public health care in the South… it’s like Africa)… so I’m paying twice: the state and the private one… Many of your problems in the health care is due to lack of competitition in this sector, lobbies and so on… with some market-oriented reform you can have more service with less. So also the state expenses to cover poor people would be much less than today: the free market is the necessary prerequisite to cover poor people! Otherwise it would cost too much and the state should eliminate other services or raise taxes pushing away those who create wealth because of money and service mobility… (Money doesn’t grow on the trees as idiot Obama thinks).
            3) With all respect.. in Massachussetts and other similar states (such as the Nordic you indicates) nearly all sort of parties would do well! The difficult is do well in poor and undeveloped states…. Win if you have the very best team doesn’t mean you are a great coach! Anyway, there’s an exodus expecially among average people toward southern states (this is a fact)… so people think there could find better opportunities… and it’s not a coincidence.
            4) Reagan, together with Thatcher, is my best ever politician! Sorry for this post but i love the US and I’m very sad on you are getting like Europe, not to say Italy or Greece….

  • Robert Mockan

    The following was written by Peter Lindemann, D. Sc., a few years ago. There is much evidence that his analysis still applies. Until the Rossi E-Cat, and other LENR products, are being widely used, I expect Rossi and others will be stopped, one way or another. As others have been for many decades.

    “In the United States, and in most other countries around the world, there is a money monopoly in place. I am free to earn as much money as I want, but I will only be paid in Federal Reserve Notes. There is nothing I can do to be paid in Gold Certificates, or some other form of money. This money monopoly is solely in the hands of a small number of private stock banks, and these banks are owned by the wealthiest families in the world. Their plan is to eventually control 100% of all of the capital resources of the world, and thereby control everyone’s life through the availability (or non-availability) of all goods and services.

    An independent source of wealth (free energy device) in the hands of each and every person in the world, ruins the plans of the wealthiest families for world domination, permanently. Why this is true is easy to see. Currently, a nation’s economy can be either slowed down or sped up by the raising or lowering of interest rates. But if an independent source of capital (energy) were present in the economy, and any business or person could raise more capital without borrowing it from a bank, this centralized throttling action on interest rates would simply not have the same effect.

    Free energy technology changes the value of money. The wealthiest families and the issuers of credit do not want any competition. It’s that simple. They want to maintain their current monopoly control of the money supply. For them, free energy technology is not just something to suppress, it must be permanently forbidden!”

    —Peter Lindemann, D. Sc.

    • Alain

      This is why the incumbent will try to block the spreading of that energy to the individuals, and keep it for the big usual players

      the first method will be to block the certification, because it is a nuclear device.
      it will also forbid the insurance of the house… thus in developed countries nobody will dare to use those device, because even if LENR is not in cause, the insurance won’t accept to pay…

      then the nuclear company, power plant company, will say that they are competent in managing risks, and capture the new benefits in their pockets…

      and business will continue as usual…

      • Alex

        I don’t think you are right this will happen.
        Even if it is not allowed in developed countries, other less developed countries will use it. Then the countries who use it can produce cheaper and get more profit. The developed countries have to follow or loose the competition. The same with a single company, as soon as one use it (say a shipping company) the others have to follow or loose their bussines.
        All assuming of course this ecat work as said and is as simple to make as said.

        • Robert Mockan

          As Gerald Celente of Trends Research Institute is fond of saying in his videos, when discussing the insane oligarchs plans to rule the world, when they have extracted all the wealth they can from the existing monetary debt based system they created and control, then they will take us to war. A good place to learn about what is really happening in the world is the web site:
          http://www.maxkeiser.com

      • GreenWin

        No. New insurers will arise to accept monthly premiums from those willing to pay. Insurance companies are like weeds. They grow in even the least fertile soil. Homeowners using a non-combustion heat/electric appliance will find plenty of insurers happy to have lower safety risks.

      • sapain

        build houses using rock, with lenr, rock houses will be cheapppp, no need for insurance and it`s system

  • Thomas

    I have been watching the rossi/defkalion LENR progress for a little over a year now, and am 70%+ convinced it’s real BUT I have just realised that this site (ecatworld), ecatnews.com, .ecatnews.net and ecatnow all seem to be run by the same person, which if true seriously undermines the credibility of all sites Please tell me it’s not true

    • admin

      I can assure you it is not true. I have nothing to do with the other sites you mention.

  • earthhydro

    Chan and his kind are money men. The holy grail of energy isnt found by them. it will take a real scientist. If chan knew how to build an over unity device then the world would not be a place to hawk wares on suckers. it would be revealed in stark contrast to the fiends that tout a revelation that requires you to reach for your wallet. see science means real results, 10kw of steam billowing out wildly out of a 1 inch tubes. Nice try and deserving souls that fall for this arent doing science…monkey see monkey do. primate gets greedy. all nonsense. a real device with real results…remember?

  • Chan

    Just do it!

    1. RFG essential to HEAT tiny Cu particles which behave as short circuit. It also acts on Fe by way of movement of particles which become individual magnets. It also aligns Ni particles as if bowling pins ready to be assaulted by oscillated hydride ions.
    2. Always use Cu for chamber. It has a permeability of 1. Steel is a shield.
    3. I buy Mg powder from http://www.americanpyrosupply.com/Products-PYROTECHNIC_METALS.html
    place in metal container with attached tube for evacuating and pressurizing with H. Heated to 250 C and as it is cooled an uptake of H creates the essential MgH2.
    4. Mix molar % of MgH2 30 (100% excess) Ni 30, Cu 20, Fe 20 in glove box. You might try igniter such as ANTIMONY TRISULFIDE or LITHIUM BOROHYDRIDE in tiny catalytic amounts.
    5. Experiment with RFG to determine sweet spot for initial heating and then sweet spot for maintaining reaction, modulating pulse rate, frequency and power. Wave shape is important. Half wave sweet spots also exist.
    6. Follow up success with miniature scale Chan oil dispersion method using Delphi FD0009 Fuel Pump and heat exchanger http://www.amazon.com/Plate-Copper-Brazed-Exchanger-Stainless/dp/B0039WRMKC/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1323609048&sr=8-9 from Amazon.
    7. I flush expansion space in larger tube at top with “Barbecue” Propane, shut off from atmosphere and allow slight pressure by occasional venting.
    Hope this is of help.
    Chan

    • Johannes Hagel

      Anybody arround here willing to try the recipy? And willing to document what he / she has found? Using multi-media documentation? Would just be great!
      Unfortunatly I do not have the experimental skills and equipment to try it myself.

    • Nekto

      Hey Chan,

      Which powder did you use?
      Have you observed extra thermal effect?

      Thanks!