Authorizing the E-Cat

One of Andrea Rossi’s more frequent refrains is that household E-Cats will be available in about two years. From every indication he has given, the technological problems on how to build small unit have been solved, even to the point of being able to make electricity as well as heat.

The main reason Rossi gives for this two-year timeframe is that he estimates it will take about this long to get the patents and safety authorizations from governmental bodies. What this really means is that in the final analysis it will be governments who will have control over the proliferation of the E-Cat. Rossi could have all the financing he needs in place, and production facilities and distribution networks at his disposal, but unless regulatory agencies and patent officials sign off on the E-Cat, nothing will happen.

It’s feasible that two years might be an optimistic projection. There are all kinds of realistic reasons why things might take  longer. With regards to the patent, Rossi himself could be a reason for delay if he his reluctant to disclose all the details about his industrial secret in the application. His efforts for absolute secrecy about the internal workings of the reactor are well known, and the Italian patent (which was granted) was far from a full disclosure of his technology.

When it comes to safety testing, regulatory bodies will most likely want to test E-Cat units thoroughly in order to determine their safety, and this too will require cooperation from Rossi. Would he be willing to allow the level of scrutiny that inspectors might demand?

Even supposing Rossi does allow thorough testing, and provides full disclosure in the patent applications, there are political implications to consider. Governmental bodies do not operate in a vacuum — there are all kinds of pressures that come to bear on regulatory agencies. Powerful interests who do not want the E-Cats to be available on the open market could well try to influence governmental decision makers to find reasons to deny approvals.

So I don’t think we can assume that it will be smooth sailing for the E-Cat.  The approval situation will probably vary from country to country. Some governments could see it to be in their best interests to fast-track E-Cat approval, while others might have strong reasons to slow things down or halt them altogether.

Pressure from the general public could well be a deciding factor in all of this. We have seen in many instances that if public will is strong enough, even the most intransigent authorities can give way. (Even North Korea has capitulated to popular demand in allowing cell phone use). If a population is convinced that E-Cat technology could provide meaningful economic relief and greatly enhance quality of life, governments may not want to try and put up unnecessary barriers. But to get to that point, there needs to be widespread knowledge and support for E-Cats, and the validity of the technology would have to be obvious (we are not there yet!)

So it is not surprising that Rossi is visiting politicians. If he can get a favorable response from governmental decision makers, he can make his job easier, and it may just be that the economic self interest of states and governments desperate to see new economic activity in their jurisdictions will be a deciding factor in whether E-Cat technology will soon be available in our homes.

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  • Josh

    2 years is a crazy timeline to release such a product. Getting commercial levels of performance, reliability and safety will probably take a decade. Right now they don’t even know how it works, let alone how to optimize it or make it safe!

    If it emits ANY radiation, it will probably never be legal for residential purposes. You may want a nuclear reactor in your garage, but your neighbors will not. An ideal market entry system would be sized to power small remote towns, islands, and ships. That segment has minimum NIMBY resistance, maximum pricing power, and modest development costs.

  • Byte

    I’m a sceptic, and a webcam pointed at a box won’t convice me, so that’ll just be a waste of time and effort.

    Concentrate on finding a customer that will allow visitors to do their own measurements.

    Meanwhile, supposing that Rossi is indeed able to build a consumer version that is able to generate electricity… reach out to makers of electric cars. What better way of financing a home e-cat than as part of a vehicle deal? Have a working prototype of an e-cat that will charge an electic car for next-to-nothing in “fuel” costs and no government will be able to deny the necessary permits.

  • Brad Arnold

    It is tragic that groups like Occupy Wall Street waste their energies compared to if they took the much more effective route of proponing LENR. Widespread use of LENR would accomplish (for instance) Occupy Wall Street’s goals, so they ought to be pushing for a specific solution rather than a general one without a prescription.

    • Farlie Paynter

      The occupy wall street where I was, was pushing Andrea Rossi’s cold fusion, its too bad you missed it, did you contact all of them to find out what others are doing?

  • http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/10/the-critical-need-for-e-cat-technology-for-food-production-and-affordability/ praos

    China will profit, US go broke. eCat is not computer, pushing only slide-rule manufacturers out of bussiness. Think about Enron, Iraq, Bush! Think about jobs (aka profits). Sorry, 1%, not first nor last in history! And finally, what about Israel, that hired watch-dog of Arab oil? Much more than energy is at stake here.

  • Wes

    I could not have said that better.

  • http://www.neotreksoftware.com Allan Shura

    I think the view is a little pessimistic. The
    first country to use the technology will have a real advantage over other countries.

  • Robert Mockan

    Dennis Bushnell of NASA has either not done his homework, or is acting as a shill. Mostly he is not even wrong, because most of what he says is so far from reality.

    To point:

    I have a floppy disk from FUSION FACTS that I kept from 1995, that references over 3000 experiments concerning “cold fusion”. Very few were done in the US because the subject was denounced by government shortly after the 1989 discovery. Not only was it denounced, but national testing laboratories falsified their data results and conclusions to “conclude” cold fusion was just “pathological science” by “incompetent researchers”, even though their data, when studied later by ethical scientists, indicated just the opposite, and that cold fusion was real.
    So rabid was the US government to prohibit any and all research on the subject it threatened to deny federal funding for ANY university research center or federal laboratory that did ANY work on cold fusion, even to the point of saying that if even publications were made on the subject that might affect funding. In addition the peer reviewed scientific journals were directed by “unofficial” mandates from the secretive JANUS group (that approves science research at the government policy level) not to publish anything about the subject, and the US patent office was directed not to allow patents to be issued about the subject (even when operational systems based on the technology had been tested!).
    So what game is Bushnell playing?

    Bushnell says theories since 2006 mostly that LENR is probably based on nuclear “weak” interactions.
    He would have a hard time proving that, since it simply is not true. There are over 20 hypothesis in addition to the “weak” nuclear interactions guess. That should be “hypothesis”, not “theory”.

    To say that the demonstrations of ROSSI may “suggest” LENR may produce useful quantities of heat is incredibly misleading. Even the original publicity in 1989 did that. More so when palladium rods the size of nails working in self sustaining mode in 1990 were placed in liters of water and boiled it away, with NO external power being used.
    There are literally hundreds of experiments that did much more than “suggest” useful quantities of heat could be produced, dating back over 20 years!

    I could go on like this for the entire Bushnell presentation. He does make some relevant points in regards to space applications, but a child could do that.

    • MJS

      He could be setting up the “cover story” so that people will “buy into” the official version on cold fusion and not look into the actual details as you have outlined. This then let’s them off the hook and allows LENR to proceed forward with the support of new very recent evidence that indicates it is real.

      In other words, “we just needed good enough evidence and were correct about our past stance since the evidence wasn’t good enough.”

      It’s all just politics and not surprising at all.

      • Robert Mockan

        A cover story? That too, certainly. But to say it is “just” politics understates what is going on.

        Politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed. Mao Zedong, “On Protracted War” (May 1938).

        The war is against progress. Vested interests in the status quo have been fighting this war for centuries.

  • Alexander

    “What this really means is that in the final analysis it will be governments who will have control over the proliferation of the E-Cat. Rossi could have all the financing he needs in place, and production facilities and distribution networks at his disposal, but unless regulatory agencies and patent officials sign off on the E-Cat, nothing will happen.”

    “Pressure from the general public could well be a deciding factor in all of this. We have seen in many instances that if public will is strong enough, even the most intransigent authorities can give way. (Even North Korea has capitulated to popular demand in allowing cell phone use). If a population is convinced that E-Cat technology could provide meaningful economic relief and greatly enhance quality of life, governments may not want to try and put up unnecessary barriers. But to get to that point, there needs to be widespread knowledge and support for E-Cats, and the validity of the technology would have to be obvious (we are not there yet!)”

    Both of those points are why it was so important to perform a full and thorough testing as promised. It wasn’t done. And that’s a shame, if there was anything to it.

    I’m not too worried about it though. New technologies are already here and will be with us very soon one way or another.

    Getting too wrapped up in one person or one device isn’t healthy, there are many ways and many devices that will change everything. Exciting isn’t it!

  • pilatte

    don’t worry America ; china and india will make the first step ; they need low cost energy , no problems with security law, no oil giants to fight
    if roosi device is real , they will produce it by millions and sell it to the world
    just wait and buy it

    • MJS

      Absolutely! Countries that rely on imports of coal, natural gas or oil will switch fast. Japan is another possibility for a quick adopter.

      These will force everyone else to move as well.

  • http://sitonmyfacebook Mama Mia

    Delay is good, excellent, part of the plan. It allows more investors to pack more and more money into the technology. It prevents Rossi from showing any definitive proof that the thing works. It gives Rossi an excuse to declare, 5 minutes before midnight, that he is closing shop and going bankrupt not because his technology is a sham, but because of government interference.

    • Steve Robb

      I’m sorry, but I have heard nothing about Rossi taking money from investors. Do you have some new information or are you must casting aspersions, and creating noise?

  • http://www.replication-meyer.be.ma Stanislas Bauer

    States doesn’t have to fear about the e-cat. Most of them needs it to gain a positive commercial balance. Don’t worry for the finance: it will be easy to tax ! Don’t worry for the petrol companies: when they will see that petrol is no more selling, they will increase the price. All these companies have sufficient capital to finance researche about clean energy in place to use it to find oil ! Don’t worry: e-cat is not ready for most of the automotive applications and portable application like chain-saw, motorbikes. But it’s a great hope: a country like belgium, who lost all his natural energy ressources in the sixties ( coal)can help his economy with that sort of things. Idem for France or Japan who needs to close all the nuclear plants. But Rossi has to understand that we need only one thing of him: a longer test to drastically elimate the fraud suspicion !

  • PersonFromPorlock

    First thing is to prove it works: no operatic claims from the principals, no professions of belief from their claques, just sit one of the things somewhere it can’t be diddled with and set it to making heat for a while.

    After that, things should move rather quickly.

  • Rob

    Why all this focus on home units? This isn’t where the most value would come even in heating. You want to focus on large building with heating needs. A business would much more quickly put out money for something with a good payback.
    Commercial and Industrial sectors consume twice the natural gas of residential annually. There’d be a huge benefit to home owners just from a drop in the price of natural gas if there was a large reduction in demand.
    It’s business’ and industrty that runs energy consuming processes 24/7 that should be the first to make use of this. It’s also what would face the least regulatory hurdles and have the most reason to expedite it. Home owner or GE, which one do you think could get it first if they wanted it?

  • http://www.grupoice.com Jorge Jimenez

    It is very important to understand the responsibility that is placed in front of the most influential politicians in the world. On the one hand, democratizing energy will mean that many will not receive large gains, and also new players entering the power supply roundup. The important thing is to see how this injection of energy will be for a society hungry for solutions to emerge eventually to become more equal to all the inhabitants of the planet and filled the expectations that many in the world and we have to achieve true peace and progress for the people.

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  • Luca Salvarani

    The only important question is: when USA (not any other countries) will authorize E-cat? All depends only on USA!

    • Alex

      Nonsense. The moment any country uses this technology all other countries have to follow.

      • Luca Salvarani

        Only in theory… For example you can think Japan would be a great beneficiary of e-cat… but things are by far much more complex. For example all electric utilities corporation will default very soon… hundread of unenployed, billions of dollar lost in share but expecially bond markets… need of further recapitazation for banks and a tremendous increase in social security expenses for states… and so on… I could do a very long list! Some people could achive great benefits but, as the opposite some people would lose a lot! even in Japan! E-cat would force a total and enormous change in social-economic-financial-foreign relations in a quick time so the overall process will me “managed” in some ways!

        • M

          It is always better to let an unnecessary industry die. The money that will be saved on energy can be invested in other things. Also, there will be no more need for energy saving. This will boost the economy.
          Anyway, these changes will take years, so there will be time to adapt.

  • Sanjeev

    http://www.ecatplanet.net/content.php?123-LENR-Presentation-by-Dennis-Bushnell-Chief-Scientist-NASA-Langley

    Presentation by Dennis Bushnell, Chief Scientist, NASA is a major plus. This is unofficial version.

  • andreiko

    Dwing de media deze goednieuwsshow naar de voorgrond te brengen.