PESWiki is reporting that Andrea Rossi’s Leonardo Corporation has signed an agreement with National Instruments of Austin, Texas for NI to provide all the instrumentation for the E-Cat plants that Leonardo Corp will be manufacturing. Sterling D. Allan of PESN reports that he learned of the agreement during a conference call with Rossi, and that NI’s Director of Physics, Stefano Concezzi confirmed to him (Allan) that Rossi was a customer.
National Intstruments is a leading provider of advanced hardware and software that is used in industrial and scientific applications around the world, and should be able to provide Leonardo Corporation with instrumentation of much higher quality and far more advanced capabilities than Rossi has been using so far with the E-Cat devices he has built. During recent testing Rossi himself has been the manual controller during the self-sustaining periods of all the demonstrations of the E-Cat done to date, but he has said that in mass produced E-Cats, the control of the E-Cat reactors would need to be done automatically.
It would seem that NI would be the kind of company who would have the skills and experience to design the automated control systems that will be needed to ensure E-Cats run stably and safety.
The quality of NI instrumentation should also make it much easier to get accurate measurements of such things as water flow rates, temperature levels and steam quality that have been difficult to hard to ascertain from the public demonstrations that have been carried out to date. Many analysts have been dissatisfied with the measurement instruments that Rossi has been using, and the methodology that has been employed in the testing.
With hardware, software and expert advice from National Instruments, there could be rapid improvements of the E-Cats coming soon.
UPDATE: Not only is there no denial about this story from National Instruments, at the foot of the PESWiki piece is this note from Sterling Allan:
On November 10, 2011 4:39 PM [MST], regarding the above story, I received the following from Trisha McDonell | Corporate PR Manager | National Instruments.
Subject: Re: final Re: contact info for E-Cat / NI contract
Thank you Sterling for allowing us to review. We approve the text, especially the National Instruments portion of the story that includes Stefano’s quote and information.
Best regards
Trisha
Daniele Passerini, of the 22Passi Blog says the National Instruments relationship had been know to him for some time. He writes:
I promised not to disclose confidential information, and I keep my word, now I pesni scoop delivered me from the bond of secrecy about this news. I know of many other “secrets”, but wait patiently, one after another fall.
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I find that cited in some comment :
http://digital.ni.com/worldwide/bwcontent.nsf/websearch/2c6b449a3f0f8f3a862579480060a07f
National Instruments Empowers Big Physics Solutions*NEWS RELEASE – Nov. 14,
2011* – National Instruments continues to empower the research and physics
industries with high-performance measurement and control technologies.
…LHC…Tokamak…
Additionally, the Leonardo Corporation has intentions to incorporate NI
tools in its control system.
…
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Dear Italo:
This is not yet our official website, contains many errors to be corrected, contains wrong names in wrong places. It needs a lot of corrections, so please disregard it for at least three days.
A.R.
http://www.leonardo-ecat.com/fp/
Very badly presented. Looks like a site of 1989 typed by a 10 yo in MS Frontpage. Equally bad graphics especially the IE copycat logo. I hope its a joke
Oh dear, if there a grain of truth the involvement of National Instuments, more steam may come out of Krivit’s ears than from an e-cat!
Ah ah ah ah ah ! ! !
ps
OFFICIAL WEBSITE:
http://www.leonardo-ecat.com/fp/
I am rather impressed by the Official Website. There’s a lot of good stuff there and it should offer some clarification.
Some of the case designs for the domestic E cat look good.
And one is struck again by the genius of Rossi of putting the Fat Cat in a shipping container.
Update#1: A statement from John Pasquarette, Vice President of Corporate Marketing and eBusiness, National Instruments:
“There are thousands of researchers and engineers in the world trying to solve alternative energy challenges and National Instruments provides tools to many of these scientists. One example is the Leonardo Corporation who intends to use NI tools for various applications. Specific details are still in development.
The mission of National Instruments is to equip engineers and scientists with tools that accelerate productivity, innovation, and discovery. We apply this mission by working with customers across a variety of industries such as automotive, mobile devices, robotics as well as energy and physics. For example, we have been working closely with many research labs and physics institutions in the areas of control, measurement and diagnostics for nuclear fusion, particle accelerators, synchrotrons and telescopes.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/11/11/national-instruments-and-cold-fusion/
Forget the bit about the FET nonsense, this story confirms (to the chagrin of the super-sceptics) that the bona fide business National Instruments is closely involved with Rossi’s Leonardo Corp.
This confirms nothing. It only says that National Instruments is a supplier of parts to the Leonardo Corporation. Don’t read any more into this than is exactly what it says.
If there is a contract here, the only contract is for National Instruments as a supplier. There is nothing more to see here and it certainly is flat out wrong to suggest they are the “buyer” of an E-Cat or anything like it.
I agree, but why a guy making a low budget scum should spend big money on instruments which could show his “machine” does not work? I still don’t see any way Rossi could make any money out of the ecat …unless the ecat really works…
So, anyone with cash in hand can purchase the high quality instruments NI designs, produces and sells, huh?
I do like the leap that people are making that the fact the they are buying instruments from NI validates this device (E-CAT). It sounds like their normal business is to assess the buyer’s needs, evaluate their use of NI’s products and then using their immense knowledge base to optimize the use of NI’s products for their buyer. Sounds like a great company to work with. We’ll see what happens when they see how their devices are to be used. If this thing is on the level, I’m sure they have a way to optimize the use of their devices. However, if this is a scam, then Rossi will claim proprietary information and won’t disclose how it works and why he chose a certain place to put NI’s instruments. A normal business arrangement like this would be to have the vendor (NI) sign an NDA. If that isn’t good enough for Rossi then I say scam. If it is good enough and he works hand in hand with them, then we might have a new, cheap and safe way to produce heat which will be turned into electrical energy.
Unfortunately, I smell a scam; I hope I’m wrong.
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This news has not only increased the chances of Ecat being real by 10x, but its also a confirmation that Rossi has received the money. Which means there is a customer.
Its been two weeks now and the ‘customer’ has not filed any charges or lawsuit against Rossi for selling him a leaky box full of metal junk for Euro 2mil. This can mean only one thing.
And that one thing would be: there is no customer.
This news only confirms that Rossi has joined the ranks of Bernie Madoff. He has managed to convince big money to back him. And National Instruments doesn’t have the guts and/or balls to save their long term reputation for short term gain.
[He has managed to convince big money to back him.]
Any references ? Or just a wild guess ?
Not a wild guess. Obviously National Instruments got some money or a bigger order which resulted in the endorsement of Rossi as a customer. Ergo somebody with deep pockets backed him.
I like the recent play by Forbes. Some obscure blog claimed NI is the customer of the shipping container. Forbes mentioned this. Now the onus is on NI to come out and say it isn’t so.
Either way, we have all lost our sense of instrumentation. National Instruments is not the most important instrument we have. It’s peer review.
I wouldn’t recommend that NI respond to “some obscure blog” about anything. It’s a waste of time and bad for your business reputation.
My apologies to Rossi for calling him a clown. If he’s working with National Instruments and NI doesn’t deny it, then I’m convinced this is for real. I work with NI industrial automation boards in my job. They’re hopelessly conservative and backward. For that very reason I doubt that they would jerk around with something that wasn’t for real.
This leads me to another concern. NI is like German industry. Hopelessly conservative and backward. Good for industrial automation. Awful, terrible, stinky, for speed and entrepreneurship and response. I fear we’re not going to get a hold of these devices any time soon. And by the time we do they’ll only function with vintage equipment that can only be found in Army surplus yards out in the desert.
Wait, Josh had a valid point to make. Is NI the company that bought the device or is Rossi just another customer? This could be a case of “pecunia non olet” – money doesn’t stink.
I wish someone would stop treating us like fools and tell us what the heck is really going on?
You’re not very consistent Jack T. Is this a record of your inner thought processes?!
I think the only approach should an open attitude to the evidence. There has been lots pointing to the Rossi process being genuine. But there hasn’t full and final proof. Healthy scepticism is in order but not the sort of diseased scepticism one sometimes comes across.
German industry backward? Really? When did this happen?
Is this the same Andrea Rossi of Petrol Dragon? I am pretty sure it is!
In the 1990′s Andrea Rossi was collecting garbage from a syndicate of partner companies, adding some lime and dumping it, then selling non-existent fuel back to those same customers. He had huge holding tanks all over Italy, which was messing up the earth. This caused tens of millions of dollars to “clean up”. Prosecutors noted that the other companies were still generating invoices for the fuel a year after Rossi’s company had been shut down. Based on the test “it had very little hydrocarbons at all…
Why did Rossi drop his garbage-to-oil process as soon as authorities started investigating it? That’s not the action of someone with a legitimate discovery. That’s the actions of a con artist when he’s about to be caught.
Yet now he is doing the same thing…Holding his secret close and getting people to buy his product. This is a smart man that is very good at what he does. Don’t be fooled.
Of course George Miley is making Cold fusion work, so it’s not like theres nothing to it, but I wouldn’t trust Rossi with a ten foot stick.
I want my questions answered.
Just a comment about Petroldragon: Petroldragon is a very serius technology based on the Fischer-Tropsch process. Here in Italy it is no secret that the Petroldragon Corp was “destroyed” by all means (journalists, magistrates, evironmentalists etc…) because Petroldragon was the only thing that was able to keep mafia out from the waste business in Northern Italy.
Therefore Andrea Rossi was first arrested and then acquitted, but the acquittal arrived only 15 years after his incarceration… In the meanwhile, Petroldragon Corp was forced to go out of business…
Correcto Mundo!
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Science beginning to question it’s own bias. Science 2.0
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http://www.science20.com/alpha_meme/faster_light_neutrinos_succumb_bayesian_method-84534
Just noticed the disclaimer on the PES website declaring that PES has a “business relationship” with Rossi. Anyone have an idea what that relationship is?
It would appear they are his PR firm
Sterling, the owner of PESN, has an exclusive deal with Rossi, to be invited as an “other” news reporting source. They don’t conduct any other business with him except reporting what goes on. Which is why they are usually the first ones to break the story as it unfolds.
A post in the comments section of a blog does not count as confirmation from NI. Until such news is posted on ni.com I remain sceptical. Moreover, if NI has accepted a commission from Rossi, it does not necessarily mean they think e-cat works. They are simply accepting money from a paying customer. The customer is always right. It does at least suggest that Rossi finally has some money to spend. Perhaps his first customer was real after all.
Felix –
The nature of the contract can only be determined by NI actually seeing and analysing the machine in detail. There is no way that NI would ever be part of a fraud that could lay it open to action in the American courts.
In the absence of a denial from NI or any later indication that they have withdrawn from the contract, I think we can take it as confirmation that the system is genuine.
Selling products to someone who later uses them illegally (or as part of a scheme) does not open NI up to much risk. They can sell their product to Rossi without ever having seen his machine, or having any idea if it does what he claims.
Granted, I would expect they would do a little bit of research so as not to risk their brand name, but it’s not like this is a super-high profile story… yet.
Interesting news, but it “proves” very little. Most manufacturers are willing to agree to make parts for something if you are willing to pay them – that’s sort of what they do. Why would they care if it’s real or not, they are just making parts for a price. An announced partnership where the manufacturing partner is fronting some or all of the cost would be much more convincing. I remain skeptical.
NASA was not the customer! It was National Instruments!
BREAKING NEWS!
Got a link confirming that?
Daniele Passerini has just commented on his blog:
http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/11/ni-come-national-instrument.html
In short: he had know of the talkings between Rossi and NI since april but he had promised to keep the news confidential. NI waited some months because the device was still too controversial but now they have changed their mind. Passerini also writes that he knows other confidential informations of the same importance but he can’t reveal them yet
It looks like Rossi is personally creating a manufacturing company. What a waste. It is like reinventing the wheel, because any company he builds from the ground up is going to get creamed once the big boys realize that LENR is successfully commercial. This is all because the squares just can’t wrap their heads around the fact that LENR is delivering so much over unity, making nickel a half a million times as energy dense as oil. Oh well, the smell of money will draw the sharks, and Rossi will have lit the pilot light of a LENR boom.
Hmmmm…. “National Instruments” starts with an “N” (of interest for those of you in the know).
Good observation Rockyspoon.
I am convinced the E-cat is real, however, I won’t be entirely shocked if once the physics have been proven, it turns out it is not overunity. The proof in the pudding will be to measure the amount of energy released during decay of the nickel into copper. The unity law is simply all sides of the equation need to equalize. New laws will have to be written, but they may be in the realm of alchemical science, but the density is just off the charts. For example, when water and sulfur mix, one does not need to add any outside force to gain heat it is just energy changing forms, and the unity law is rather reinforced than broken. I suspect the same thing is happening here.
It is strange, it is like it is both nuclear and chemical, but neither. The reaction is producing a heavier element from the additional material absorbed from the destruction of hydrogen atoms, when excited by enough positively charged energy to make the outer electron shell unstable. However, Ni has a stable outer shell, it’s actually electron heavy. So the extra electron would repel to some catalyst, that is proton heavy, leaving the Hydrogen proton to migrate to the Ni nucleus, creating an unstable Cu atom, that is more proton heavy. It’s almost like the catalyst is copper as well. This is some weird science, because it’s not like fusion, it’s almost like a chemical reaction where it’s a mixture that changes to a solution of the same material of the catalyst, only with the additional energy input. I’m confused. Way to go there Dr. Rossi!
Remember the gamma radiation being produced by the exothermic reaction Alan. How many chemical reactions can you name the produce gamma radiation?
New article from msnbc about rossi and hot fusion
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/10/8740899-whats-new-on-the-fusion-front
If this is correct, it circumstantially speaks volumes. This, at a minimum, is not what scams and/or marginally competent people do.
This, as past manager, would be one of the things I would do.
Watching what happens with this relationship (based on a working E-Cat) will say a lot about Rossi’s business and management acumen.
Interesting additional piece to this evolving puzzle.
Kind Regards,
Bill Nichols
Absolutely agree, Bill. It would be great if NI could confirm this publicly. That would be a large one on the nose for the super-sceptics.
Also, have people seen this video? –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=S7lAlzMBzLQ
Again there is nothing here to suggest we are talking about a scam.
This was at the bottom of the PESWiki article:
On November 10, 2011 4:39 PM [MST], regarding the above story, I received the following from Trisha McDonell | Corporate PR Manager | National Instruments.
Subject: Re: final Re: contact info for E-Cat / NI contract
Thank you Sterling for allowing us to review. We approve the text, especially the National Instruments portion of the story that includes Stefano’s quote and information.
Best regards
Trisha
Wow! That’s excellent – complete confirmation in the absence of denial from NI.
There must surely be some genuine machine for NI to be working with, otherwise they would soon detect a fraudulent scheme and – as a reputable company – have to pull out.
Bingo and more.
great video. convincing.
Hopefully with good instrumentation and better
software, the E-cat will provide better stability
during Self Running mode.
The software/Hardware data inherent with this
new instrumentation will provide further proof
of over unity to all skeptics.
Respect
Kim
Yes, I don’t claim to understand the process, but I guess one would have all sorts of homeostatic feedback loops to ensure stability and emergency shutdown monitoring to ensure safety.