What did the E-Cat Test Achieve?

The October 28th E-Cat test is over now. This was an event that people interested in Andrea Rossi’s cold fusion technology have been looking forward to for almost a year now, and for many observers it does not seem to have lived up to expectations.

In the build up to this event, Rossi had said a number of things would happen, some of which did not transpire. There was no live streaming of the test on Youtube; Rossi did not reveal his theory of what was happening inside the energy catalyzer; the name of the Customer was not made public — in fact this really did not turn out to be a public event at all.

If people were hoping that today would be the day when the world would be shown irrefutable proof of cold fusion in action they were disappointed. The event was essentially a private test of Rossi’s plant by agents of the unnamed American Customer where invited guests and selected journalists were able to get a brief look of the plant in action.

So what really did the test achieve? From Andrea Rossi’s point of view, a great deal. The testing done by the Customer’s agent, Domenico Fioravanti, was satisfactory enough for them to purchase the plant from Rossi, and take possession of it. This sale will provide Rossi with much-needed funds, and among other things allow him to contract a two-year research and development program with the University of Bologna, and begin negotiating with the University of Uppsala for a similar R&D program there. The fact that two major universities whose professors attended yesterday’s and other tests are willing to participate in research programs involving the E-Cat speaks volumes.

Also, yesterday’s test DID demonstrate (again) the validity of the E-Cat technology in what seems to me a compelling way. According to NyTeknik, the customer’s priority was to see the plant running in self-sustain mode (meaning the external heat to the reactor was switched off). Mats Lewan reported that “according to the customer’s controller, Domenico Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, which is equivalent to an average power of 479 kilowatts.”

Another thing that the event demonstrated was the dedication of Andrea Rossi. He had made a commitment to launch this huge plant in October and he did it. Some people who had been convinced that he was some kind of fraudster had been predicting he would delay indefinitely so he could perpetuate his scam, but there was no such thing. The launch on schedule should certainly help his credibility when it comes to future business dealings.

We’re still waiting for more reporting from the test; the most well known media representative in the room was Peter Svennson of the Associated Press, and apparently it is going to take him a few days to prepare his report of the day’s proceedings. There was an hour long Q & A session which PESN has said they will be posting before too long.

And one more thing. From Rossi’s point of view there’s another major benefit that comes from completing his test — he gets to take a day off. His most recent blog posting says not to expect any comments from him today because he’s off to play tennis.

Frank Acland

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  • Gary

    Is it April first already ? If a 12 year old submitted those test results he would get a C-. Not what I would expect for a million dollar sale. A real test is REPEATED. If I was the customer I would want 8 weeks, not 8 hours. Also your steam average is wrong. It is 90, not 104. Average means from the beginning to the end. Is it amateur hour. The one constant that never changes is Human nature. You can work out the rest.

    • Terry Rothberg

      No it is not April One. It is Halloween! Trick or Treat. We got a trick here. A grade of C is being too generous which is probably related to why this Rossi guy got this far!

  • clovis

    I think this is all very real,and i say hello new world. either get on the train or get left behind.

    • anonymous

      You’re on the train alright. The train to Auschwitz.

  • alexvs

    To Mr. Dandelion.

    The obtention of an element number from element number-1 plus proton has been documented as early as thirties of last century although I do not remember who did it. This applies to 62Ni + 1H –> 63Cu both stable isotopes being 62Ni 3% of natural Ni. Perhaps Google helps.

  • arian
  • daniel maris

    What do we know about the customer’s consultant (or so he is described) – Domenico Fioravanti. Surely that is key now. Do we know much about him? IS he someone with real expertise in this sort of area?

  • Daniel

    I have been a great believer in this technology but the latest submission by Rossi can only serve to fuel distrust and scepticism.

    My only hope now is that Rossis’ mind and thought process is so complex he is not able to identify and pursue a simple technical demonstration which would demonstrate longevity of function to a layman. This opportunity has passed again.

    Whilst the argument that he may be able to claim IP with a series of tests with a functioning model may hold some weight, surely a simple demonstration of sustained operation would refute any challenge or doubt to his patent application and thus achieve end goal.

    Now I will continue to follow this experiment more in hope that expectation.

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  • arian

    #
    Andrea Rossi
    October 30th, 2011 at 4:14 AM

    Dear Dave Price:
    Yes, R&D with Bologna and Uppsala Universities is the next scientific step, while the manufacturing and commercialization go on.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Johannes Hagel

      Bravo Dr. Rossi! This is the best you can do in order to certify scientific credibility of the E-Cat concept!
      For comerzialisation: Will the public be able to follow this process? What are the expected time spans?

  • alexvs

    To Zed.

    As said before, the energy balance is the issue. Transmutation occurs naturally in several elements. Some of them as for instance, Th (100%), In and Re present in its natural state radioactive isotopes. But the average disintegration time is so high that only few p.p.m. of their atoms experiment observable disintegration and creation of other elements. Well known is the decay serie of Th which leads to stable Pb as final product.

    • dandelion

      You still do not seem to get it. No one is talking here about natural transmutation which occurs due to well known physical fenomenons. We are talking here about Ni and H – and I dare you to present me with cases of normal Ni transmuting into copper naturally… Do you understand what kind of transmutation are we talking about here? ;-)

      • alexvs

        Yes, I do as I have posted before. I insist: Energy balance.

  • alexvs

    Excuse me for posting again. Only to put things right.

    Artificial transmutation was achieved by Frederic Joliot and Irene Curie as soon as 1932 bombarding Al with alpha particles. The got Si as decay product of resulting instable P isotope.
    After James Chadwick discovered the neutron Enrico Fermi, Joliot-Curie, Otto Hahn et altri could trasmute several low atomic number elements bombarding those with neutrons. This stuff is just not new. The crucial point is now as before the energy balance.
    If you can get some miligrams of Thorium you can be sure that a continuous transmutation into Pb is taking place. So please, let’s be serious. About the amount of copper resulting from the supposed LENR at Rossi’s device we have only Rossi’s word, to which each one may attribute as much credibility as he wishe

    • Tylar

      Not just Rossi’s word. We also have the word of those at the demonstration as well as the word of the universities sponsoring further experimentation. It would have been nice if the demonstration was a bit more public, though.

  • dandelion

    Kind Sirs, I am amazed that no one speaks here about the most important thing: TRANSMUTATION at kitchen oven temperature and energey levels, using household appliances.

    The word here is not STEAM, but COPPER.

    The energy balance of the experiment is of little concern as long as it is almost 1:1. Just a little over 1:1 and it is TREMENDUOUS, as long as there is COPPER out of NI H in the reactor.

    Transmutation at little to no energy consumption is the most important thing here.

    The change in theoretical physics brought by this reaction is the most important issue here. If the mainstream science aknowledges the reality of copper out of Ni H nuclear reaction, the whole world of science will begin to pursue this new road, with results much more important than what dr. Rossi seems to be doing.

    Ah, the Ni H reaction produces heat! Hm, this is just a convenient byproduct of something much more important, people – transmutation al kitchen oven temperature and energy levels.
    And if this creates some surplus energy, be shure that 10 years of intense scientific study and experimentation will make us laugh about the mere 1:6 energy balance of whatever dr. Rossi has created.

    Not the 1MW plant matters here, but the copper. The transmutation. That would be simple to demonstrate and replicate, and impossible to ignore by any man of science.

    • Zed

      and all copper piping has been checked for corrosion/electrolysis?

    • alexvs

      Artificial transmutation was achieved by Frederic Joliot and Irene Curie as soon as 1932 bombarding Al with alpha particles. The got Si as decay product of resulting instable P isotope.
      After James Chadwick discovered the neutron Enrico Fermi, Joliot-Curie, Otto Hahn et altri could trasmute several low atomic number elements bombarding those with neutrons. This stuff is just not new. The crucial point is now as before the energy balance.
      If you can get some miligrams of Thorium you can be sure that a continuous transmutation into Pb is taking place. So please, let’s be serious. About the amount of copper resulting from the supposed LENR at Rossi’s device we have only Rossi’s word, to which each one may attribute as much credibility as he wishes.

      • Zed

        In this case, at least in theory, you can obtain a valuable transmutation and get energy -out- of it, instead of wasting more energy than the value of what you get back.
        pretty significative difference I would say.

      • dandelion

        As Zed said + Transmutation using household appliances, at kitchen oven temperatures and energy levels (as opposed to particle acceleration…). Get it, alexvs? ;-)

        • Tom

          Why is transmutation more important than free energy? Is there a copper shortage or something? I suppose there’s an economists standpoint and a scientists standpoint.

    • rossini

      “Kind Sirs, I am amazed that no one speaks here about the most important thing: TRANSMUTATION at kitchen oven temperature and energey levels, using household appliances.”

      That’s why there is no credible poof of this concept^^
      I belief nearly every physicist, engineer or chemist would be able to do a proper calorimetry test, and will agree that this is necessary. But we shall belief that this was not possible in a course of 12 promo events?

  • Hyman Rosen

    There must be a pony in here, because we sure could use a pony!

  • arian

    Article about e-cat test in poland media.

    http://gadzetomania.pl/2011/10/29/ruszyly-testy-reaktora

  • arian

    Validation of New Energy Source from nickel -hydrogen reaction by Rowan University in 2008.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfjOIoPwolg