E-Day Thread: Rossi’s 1 MW E-Cat Plant Tested By First Customer (PESWiki: “Customer Satisfied, Sale Made”)

It’s October 28th in Italy and today’s the day when Andrea Rossi’s 1 MW Plant is going to be tested at his Bologna factory by consultants from an unnamed American Customer. Rossi has said that the contractual terms are that the purchase of the plant is dependent upon it providing six times more power than is input. If the plant does not meet this guarantee, he will have two months to rectify the problem.

Prior to the test noises from the Rossi camp sound quite postive; Rossi commented yesterday:

“Now it’s 4 p.m. of the 27th, and we are finishing the cosmetics of the plant. I think tomorrow we will make, with the help of God, a good job. My work, basically, is finished. Within one hour the Consultants of the Customer will arrive to start the check of all the parts of the plant and prepare all their stuff for the test of tomorrow. Until some hour ago I felt a strong pressure, now, at the eve of the battle, as usual, I am recovering all my coldness and calm. We are ready.”

Consultants are already involved in setting up for the test, and sometime tomorrow the plant will be started up. Rossi has said there will be no live streaming video (a condition of the Customer), but that every hour he will post updates on the Journal of Nuclear Physics. The test will apparently end at around midnight Italian time, after which video is supposed to be released. We don’t know all who will be present, but Sterling Allen of PESWiki is already in Italy and will no doubt be providing all the information he can.

Let’s try to use this thread to keep track of the latest information coming from Bologna. We will be keeping our eyes and ears open for any news we can get coming out of the test, and would be very happy if readers could post any updates and news in the comments section below. Thanks in advance for everyone’s help with keeping up with this fascinating story!

9:00 GMT

According to Sterling D. Allan of PESWiki and Daniele Passarerini of 22Passi (see below) a reporter from the Associated Press will be present at the demo. The AP is about as mainstream as they come, so this should help tremendously with spreading the word about today’s event.

Peswiki’s coverage of today’s can be found here; Daniele Passerini’s Tweets can be followed here

12:00 GMT

No updates from Rossi himself yet on the JONP. Sterling Allan reports he is not permitted to report until after the event is over. Daniele Passerini tweets,”AP has the exclusive of the day, a troupe of TG2 that was presented was sent away for this reason.” TG2 is a TV channel from the Italian national broadcasting company, RAI.

12:34 GMT
Forbes comes out with a new article dealing with the E-Cat. This time a more negative piece about Rossi’s entitled, The Relentless Pursuit of Magical Energy. The author is arguing that even if Rossi is right it will take a very long time to have a significant impact.

12:54 GMT
Passerini tweets, “We are self-sustaining with an abundant buffet :))” Sounds like they are eating well!

14:46 GMT
Wired.co.uk posts a new article ny David Hambling about the significance of today’s test: “Cold Fusion: Future of physics or phoney?”

18:06 GMT
From Andrea Rossi’s JONP site:

FIRST INFORMATION REGARDING THE 1 MW PLANT TEST:
WE SARTED REGULARLY THE TEST THIS MORNING . EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL SO FAR. THE 1 MW E-CAT IS WORKING IN SELF SUSTAINING.
TONIGHT I WILL PUBLISH THE NON SECRET REPORT THAT THE CUSTOMER WILL RELEASE.
WARM REGARDS, I HAVE TO RETURN TO THE PLANT. SORRY, I CANNOT ANSWER TO THE MANY COMMENTS I AM RECEIVING. I WILL PUBLISH THEM PROBABLY I WILL NEVER FIND THE TIME TO ANSWER.
WARMEST REGARDS TO ALL,
ANDREA ROSSI

Happy noises coming out of Bologna!

18:06 GMT
From PESWiki: Q & A just finished; reading of results; 470 kW maintained continuously during self-sustain; customer satisfied; sale made; more later.
– SilverThunder 11:07, 28 October 2011 (PDT)

22:386 GMT
Excerpt of Rossi’s review of today’s test.

22:386 GMT
Tour of the 1 MW plant in operation

Oct 29th 01:25 GMT

From Andrea Rossi:
HERE IS THE DRAFT OF REPORT OF THE 1 MW E-CAT TEST of October 28th

http://db.tt/wu4OLbgk

PLEASE EXCUSE US FOR THE EVIDENT TYPOS, BUT IT IS PARTIALLY HANDWRITTEN AFTER MIDNIGHT FROM VERY TIRED PERSONS.
WARM REGARDS,
ANDREA ROSSI

Oct 29th 01:25 GMT

NyTeknik’s report of the today’s test:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3303682.ece

PESWiki’s report:
http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1_MW_E-Cat_Test_Successful/

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  • Ronald Chappell

    How much hydrogen was consumed during the test???

  • Hiatus

    WOW! I feel like I’m reading a forum Bastards paid by the paniced coal and oil syndicate.

    Oh wait, I am… LMAO

    • Jon

      There is nothing wrong with beeing suspicous. Beliving a claim of this magnitude requires more than the word of the alledged inventor. A new machine that solves all the world’s energy problems, almost for free, with no side-effects, something noone ever encountered before? That solves global warming, the wars for oil? Invented by a man convicted for fraud? This is just too big to believe just by somebodys word.

      Remember: All you have is his and his collegues word. There is absolutely nothing else.

      • 0mega

        I feel the same way, Rossi is known for deception and fraud. I would be extremely happy to see oil companies go down. But there hasn’t been a single shred of evidence so far. Nothing. A video and a ‘mystery’ client. A-ha.

  • Jon

    All you have is his and his collegues word. There is absolutely nothing else. Test protocols and shaky videos proove absolutely nothing unless verified by a truly independent source (and, no, his statement that an ‘american company’ was satisfied does not qualitfy).

  • Ellen O’Day

    Oh this is wonderful.

    As a special celebration I am offering shares in the Brooklyn Bridge as part of Dr Rossi’s legacy.

    Please send me $1000 and you will become part owner of the Brooklyn Bridge. Once I have the requisite $100 million I will rename the bridge Rossi Bridge and you will know that you have contributed to Dr Rossi’s wonderful achievement.

    Please hurry spaces are filling up fast. We have no time to lose.

    • Rockyspoon

      I’m sorry, Rossi has orders of magnitude more credability than you do.

      • 0mega

        you need to fix your sarcasm detector.

        • Hiatus

          piss off

          • 0mega

            what?

  • alexvs

    Week end. Yeah, it is time to relax, but tempus transactus, it would be healthy and sane to read what the inconditional defenders of E-Cat story honestly think of it. Is anyone dissapointed? Each of them have not the least suspcion? Was the whole stuff convincent?

  • Mike Cheek

    Based on Mr. Rossi’s communication October 29, 2011 at 8:12 am and corrections to the draft report previously posted: I come up with these numbers:
    Report stated 675 L/hr with 2635 kWh. If instead we have 350 kg/hr (=350 L/hr) we have 1,366 kWh. If we have 1.7 g of H2 instead of 1.7 kg then this is only 0.05 kWh that could have been produced by burning the H2. The report stated 66 kWh energy input. This did not appear to be taken into account. So if we divide total energy produced over energy input I get 1,366 kWh / (66k + 0.05)= ~ 20. So based on information given we have a system that produces 20 times the energy put into it. Anyone is welcome to comment on my calcs. So the numbers look good, at least.

    • 0mega

      Well, your math maybe correct, but what does it prove? Nothing.

      1) Independent testing

      and / or

      2) Release of the theory behind it

      That’s proof. Until then, its all just a scam.

      • Rockyspoon

        So I ask you for your bank balance and you refuse, or you credit card number, and you refuse, or your GRE test scores and you refuse, so I should call you a scam?

        Can you see Epic Fail in your logic? I can.

        • The Hated Skeptic

          Think about your own logic:

          I know this works because he built a big one and says it does.

          He doesn’t have to show any sound proof.

          He doesn’t have to do anything with the device.

          All he has to do is tell you that a mystery customer bought it.

          Blind hope is just that……BLIND.

        • 0mega

          Epic fail in MY logic?

          If I invented a machine that would basically enable everyone to have free energy, I’d release it into the public domain immediately. Patents by other companies would be invalid due to prior art.

          Seriously, solving mankinds energy problems is much more than anyone could hope to achieve. I for one, wouldn’t care about the money. If Rossi’s generator works like he claims it does, he wouldn’t have any problem getting a shitload of money from investors even if he released the design into public domain.

          But whatever, believe whatever you want to, I won’t care about his stories much until there is proof – and not some fabricated, dubious media events with a mystery customer.

          • icomefromanon

            Honestly though, if this was about patents, wouldn’t this already be enough evidence that HE came up with it first? If he came out with the theory, or at least, shared it with some reliable university groups for independent verification, then yeah, we’d know it isn’t a hoax. Otherwise, he’s asking us to be FAITHFUL. He’s asking scientifically minded, rightfully skeptic people, to be faithful. To take his words by faith. I don’t believe in God, and I don’t believe in this, until I see some verification. If it’s a hoax, then it’s extremely detrimental to some reliable sources of fusion energy (ie. the Bussard Polywell).

      • Mike Cheek

        I agree, actually. But I’m just trying to work with the information we have available. Trying to get some kind of feel for the magnitude of the assertions.

        If this was a real company, and they can reproduce the asserted results, then I think we’ll hear soon enough. A little more patience.

        I am not dismissing it just yet because the video of the test did show what seemed to be real equipment. It did look like a real test. I’m holding off for a little while longer. However, I still go about my life as before. I’m not holding my breath either.

      • Rob

        No, until then it is not publicly proven. That doesn’t make it a scam.

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  • http://www.psylords.info Klay

    Where can I find the Associated Press coverage of the test?
    Thanks!

    • Francesco CH

      Be patient, there is to wait a bit more

      • http://www.psylords.info Klay

        any news?

        • 0mega

          nope, the whole thing seems to be a hoax by rossi, again :/

          • http://www.psylords.info Klay

            Shoo Omega, even Wired are reporting on this successful test:
            http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-10/29/rossi-success

          • 0mega

            @klay: and what does that prove? nothing. did you even read the article ?

            “In other words, a group of unknown, unverifiable people carried out tests which cannot be checked.”

  • arian

    #
    Andrea Rossi
    October 29th, 2011 at 2:37 AM

    WARNING- CORRECTIONS OF THE DRAFT OD THE TEST MADE ON OCTOBER 28TH ON THE E-CAT MW 1:
    IN THE DRAFT, PLEASE CORRECT THE FOLLOWING TYPOS:
    1- THE WEIGHT OF HYDROGEN HAS BEEN MEASURED IN GRAMS, NOT KG, AS ERRONEOUSLY WRITTEN
    2- THE FLOW RATE OF THE WATER PUMPS HAS BEEN REDUCED TO 350 KG/HOUR FOR EACH OF THE 2 OPERATING PUMPS, NOT 700 EACH AS ERRONEOUSLY WRITTEN IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH, WHILE IS CORRECT THE FLOW RATE OF 350 KG/H WRITTEN IN THE FORMER PARAGRAPH, ON THE BASE OF WHICH THE CALCULATION OG THE PRODUCED ENERGY HAS BEEN MADE. JUST A TYPO.
    SORRY, BUT YESTERDAY WE WERE VERY TIRED.
    WARM REGARDS,
    ANDREA ROSSI
    P.S. TODAY I WILL PUBLISH THE COMMENTS, BUT WILL NOT ANSWER: SORRY, I TAKE A FULL DAY OFF, TOO TIRED. GOTTA PLAY TENNIS.

  • Francesco CH

    I do really hope that, thanks to the money given by the customer to Rossi, research at the University of Bologna concerning the E-Cat will be able to start as soon as possible

    • Frank

      By the way: Does somebody know how much the ‘secret customer’ is going to pay for the 1MW e-cat?
      The price equivalent for an second hand shipping container, or much more …?

      • arian

        2 million dollar for each 1mw unit.

  • alexvs

    Good morning to everyone. After having read the so called “test report 28 10 11″ I feel even more skeptic than ever about Dr. Rossi’s story. As I am now aware he is dottore let’s give him the right title. To say it plain: s c a m.

    However, if the “customer” is fully satisfied, if Dr. Rossi has received the requested amount, the Earth continues otrbitating around sun, nobody has been injured nor violated…well…everyone happy… happy Xmas and happy New Year.

    • Simon

      Hi skeptics!

      Before talking about a scam, remember about: 1) gamma radiation, 2) transmutation Ni into Cu,
      3) the previous very similar work (Nelson J. Gernert and Robert M. Shaubach, US government contract, 1994 !!), where Ni+H+K2CO3(heated under pressure) = Cu + lots of heat, http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GernertNnascenthyd.pdf

      • alexvs

        Ok, ok. That was my opinion not the absolute truth. By the way, I know the Gernert / Schaubach and other similar issues…

      • ItsAScam

        If this was true, the “inventor” wouldn’t be so coy and evasive. i.e. SCAM

        • Rockyspoon

          So yours is a psychological evaluation rather than anything based on data? Thanks… That’s all I needed to point out.

          • 0mega

            What is thedata worth when the whole process hasn’t been investigated independently?

      • The Hated Skeptic

        Are you forgetting that “no radiation above background was detected”?

      • Rupert

        Actually the GernertNnascent report you linked appears to suggest that the generation of excess energy is only temporary and (although I haven’t gone through it with a fine-toothed comb) they don’t seem to mention Cu at all. That said, there seems to be some missing data and some gaps in the experimentation. For example, page number 4 is missing, and the calibration data on page 30 seems to have the heat loss and excess heat values censored. More importantly, they didn’t test their hypothesis that “hydrogen releases excess heat by shrinking into hydrinos” at all. One assumption could be the hydrinos have to RE-ABSORB excess heat during desorption from the nickel and that they can’t just magically disappear, but that was never tested.

        In my mind, that report fails to properly explore the possibility (however slight it might be), that the “hydrinos” might fuse with nickel and produce copper and excess heat.

  • sergio

    What I don’t understand is, if Rossi has really come up with the right recipe, why is he willing to sell it to some energy company in the US, which will simply break his plant apart, analyse, find out what the catalyst is, and mass produce their own version, thereby stripping Rossi of any further potential gains? I hope he at least took a decent sum for this plant, anything below $10mil is a waste.

    • Rob

      Probably what he has sold is a license. Presumably he is smart enough to retain the intellectual property rights. I’m sure he has an attorney to do the contract work. He may be eccentric, but he’s no fool.

      • icomefromanon

        If I was him, I’d sell the delay time between execution of his own power plants. But that’s in fantasy land where this is verified. Until it is verified independently, it is only a hopeful fantasy..

  • Pablo Canto

    Unos meses pasaron ya desde que me enteré de este temtativo increible avance. Sin dudas, en un comienzo, fue como leer un libro de ciencia ficción. Ahora ya llegando al final de las páginas, si Dios quieres, el libro se vuelva realidad. Así lo deseo y si así es que alegría sentirme parte de esto.
    Lo felicito desde ya Señor Rossi, el solo hecho de haber movilizado tantas ideas y sueños es algo que hace bien al mundo!

  • Mike Cheek

    I quickly ran the numbers my own way, using BTU/lb and degrees F, then converted back. I came up real close 2,618 kWh as compared to 2,635 kWh. It looks like 1.7 kg H2 consumed, which is 3.74 # x 51,532 BTU/# = 192,729 BTU = 56.5 kWh, so this is 46 times more energy release than straight burning of H2. IF the numbers we have been given are real. So, IF we can believe what we’ve been told, this is a good deal. Now … it boils water, can we make superheated steam with this thing? TIme will tell.

    • Ronald Chappell

      to Mike Cheek, Sorry I missed your comment re. H2 consumption. Thanks also for the thermal conversion calculation.

  • s

    I predicted a few days ago there might be some sort of technical issue to prevent the test from being a complete unqualified success. As far as I can tell, all the tests involving more than a single ecat core lately might seem not to run more than a few hours. A power plant has to run months on end with no issues to be viable.

    The important item that has not been demonstrated is what is the COP of more than 1 power cycle? We need to see how the reactors behave when input power is re-applied after the temperature drops to close to 100C or whatever during self-sustain mode. Do the subsequent input power applied/self sustain only power cycles perform the same way as the first one or do they degrade or become unstable? I think it is clear that the initial power cycle has overunity gain. This in and of itself is a groundbreaking accomplishment.

    However, this device needs to perform maybe 300 to 800 power cycles each 6 months. The tests have shown overunity for the first power cycle, but nothing more. I really hope the multiple core Ecat works in a stable manner long term, but this has not been demonstrated to my satisfaction so far. If the customer has seen a multicore ecat go through multiple cycles and is happy with it, all is well and this post is moot.

    A detailed explanation of “power cycle” can be given based on the Oct 6 test if anyone is interested.

    • Mike Cheek

      Yes, that would be the next question, if we grant we have been told the truth. According to the published report, the system was shut down after 5.5 hours (ran from 12:30 to 18:00 according to page 2 of report) I presume customer was satisfied at that point. I wonder how long a given mass of catalyst will last. So … if we really do have a process that provides 46x energy of burning H2 we at least have something that seems to be worth pursuing.

  • RD Rockett

    In the absence of truth, things become what others want them to be! …. John Burke, “The Nature of Things”

    Perhaps we.need a brighter light on this development/ process?

    Dan