Friday, October 28, 2011 in Bologna Italy: Andrea Rossi Announces Date for 1MW E-Cat Plant Test

A short announcement was made on Andrea Rossi’s web site today:

Dear Don Witcher:
The test will be made on the 28th of October. I will give details within a week.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

UPDATE: Andrea Rossi has told Italian magazine Focus that the test will take place in Bologna, Italy, in the presence of the US customer.

So there’s another date for our calendars now — it will be interesting to see what happens between now and the 28th.

  • bullshit

    Pff…

  • Bryan

    Does anyone know if there will be public opportunities to invest in the E-Cat technology?

    I would sooner invest in it than buy one myself for now, until it is more refined.

    I hope Rossi’s US customer is a public company, so that we may support its expansion of the technology. If it is a private company, us smaller supporters cannot help invest.

    • cwDeici

      I emailed him to ask about that but he didn’t reply so I assume the answer is no.
      Also offered to help with English editing to get to know the people in the field (a job would be nice), but no answer there either… maybe I came off sounding like I’d bother him.

  • BNorman

    I think Rossi should demonstrate the failure mode and force the reaction to go wild. If it truly stops by a meltdown of the Nickel crystals he can show the before and after and show the results. He should repeat this several times to dispel any doubt. Having a public demonstration of this could do wonders for removing fear of the device. I just hope it wouldn’t turn into a big pipe bomb, with it blowing apart before the Nickel melts.

  • Brama

    Shipment … that is an interesting topic, and not so trivial as some might think. If Rossi wants to ship the e-cat (at least outside Europe) and will not allow anyone to look inside, he will not be able to cross the border. At the end of the day it all comes down to a number called HTS code.
    … and how does he want to classify a technology that either is new or he does not want to reveal?
    … how do you think the customs agent will react if he is not allowed to inspect the shipment?
    … how would you react if you get a shipment with a bunch of reactors in a container and they don’t allow you to understand what you are inspecting?

    In certain countries you will need to apply for a certificate. To get that certificate you will need to submit all drawings and specifications.

    All this is once you have a product. There will be a lot more challenges to be able to sell this invention as a product without publishing details.

  • nima

    Professor Stremmenos Talks about Defkalion

    Professor Stremmenos:

    Christos Stremmenos
    October 11th, 2011 at 11:32 AM
    By chance I learned of the release of the GT SA Defkalion (Athens 11.10.10) and I feel a moral obligation to act in faith to my convictions have already been made public at the time .. I supported and still support, the impassability of the following values: scientific truth and Its contribution anthropocentric, … the values of culture, democracy, human civilization as it Develops and Environmental Health, … … my home country, Greece is not in Parochial , but diachronically as a figure, bearing the above values.
    Megalomaniac is presumptuous of this press Defkalion GT SA …!., Harms not only its image, but in my opinion with obvious inaccuracies, it also damages the cause of the prospect for a new energy … err, especially for Greece economically needy .
    My speech is not only moralizing but also an attempt to stem the celebrations communicative Defkalion GT SA, because I feel personally responsible, both for the transfer of technology Rossi in Greece for the existence of Defcalion same instrument … implementation failure …!. I affirm the following:
    1. You can not develop a technology if you do not know the heart in which it is based.
    2. Failure to comply with the contract for financial reasons prevented him from having access to the crucial element is the invention of Rossi.
    3. The alleged engineering concerns, perhaps, the exploitation of energy from some old oil lamp …. or similar sources … Seriously, sketches with the computer without a scientific basis and years of experience in the field, can not sustain the claim of “Advanced Technology and Engineering of the invention or inventions like … Red! ..”
    4. The aluminum fins in a heat exchanger, can not be a trade secret of Defkalion …!., The plumbers have invented many years ago …!. So unfair to blame Rossi for the improper use public demonstration of these fins Aluminum … … WE ARE SERIOUS! ..
    I could go on the list of inaccuracies scientific / technological knowledge and experience, recognizing certain subject tiring but clumsy attempts to Defkalion in the economic / business to be discussed later:
    • Prepared business models for expanding international Defkalion NOT HAD ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO THE INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT, THE OUTSIDE OF GREECE AND THE BALKANS, SO HE HAS MADE AGREEMENTS OUTSIDE THE BALKANS AND GREECE HAVE DONE WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION AND ABUSIVE
    • Prepared the legislative procedures and certification: HOW TO HAVE PREPARED FA Defkalion LEGISLATIVE PROCEDURES FOR CERTIFICATION OF PRODUCTS, HE HAS NEVER HAD ANY tidings THE PRODUCT, WHICH DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE FINANCIAL TERMS OF THE CONTRACT? CERTIFICATE HAS A UFO?
    • Ensured a national, regional and international politics and business: Defkalion WOULD HAVE (IF YOU HAD TO COMPLY WITH THE TERMS OF THE FINANCIAL AGREEMENT) THE EXCLUSIVE ONLY FOR GREECE AND THE BALKANS
    • Prepared overall funding: THIS ‘COMEDY: THE REASON FOR WHICH THE CONTRACT BETWEEN Defkalion AND RED AND’ STATE IS YOUR CANCELLED inability ‘Defkalion TO OBTAIN THE NECESSARY FINANCIAL RESOURCES.
    In conclusion I would like to emphasize Defkalion THAT IS NOT GREECE …. Nor A. Xanthulis and its imaginative communication consultants .. . I can assure you that there is also good … the disabled in this society.

    Now, answering the question of why Greece became of the use of this green revolutionary technology and why it was chosen to be leader in business (Grecia e Balcani) but hopefully also in research and technology in this field, let me note three basic reasons:
    Our country has no primary energy sources except for lignite and hydroelectric energy. All other means of energy, especially the renewable, rely on imported technology, which reflects greatly on the cost of them.
    The current Political Leadership of the Country was always sensitive to innovation, especially in the field of green energy growth. The current political leadership was aware since 2004 of this technology, the reports of the progress of this scientific field were expected with great interest and hope that someday there might be some practical application of this technology.
    In our country can exist Businessmen with courage and bravery, but also with a high patriotic sense of responsibility, ready to risk and invest in such an important technology. It is not about what we will gain from this Homeland, but what we are ready to offer to our country, especially in these difficult times!
    Therefore, it was quite easy two years ago ,to convince my friends and long-time working on the LENR, Rossi and Focardi that -based on the above prerequisites- they should consider Greece as a interesting point for the development of this technology. Naturally, the cultural aspect played also its role; the ancient Greeks still work for us!
    Christos E. Stremmenos
    Professore dell’Università di Bologna (in pensione)
    Già Ambasciatore di Grecia in Italia

    [With thanks to Sebastion F and Jed Rothwell on
    Vortex]

    • Wes

      So much of the Internet is English-based that we tend to forget there are other languages and cultures. Can someone help distil the essence of this potentially important blog entry? Thank you.

    • Francesco CH

      “OFFICIAL” ENGLISH TRANSLATION (I.E. APPROVED BY CHRISTOS STREMMENOS)

      Stremmenos’ stance on Defkalion GT’s 10 October 2011 statement:

      http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/10/stremmenos-stance-on-defkalion-gts-10.html

      Reply to Defkalion G.T. Inc.

      The statement issued by Defkalion GT Inc. has come to my knowledge by chance. I feel the moral obligation to express my opinion, faithful to those convictions which I rendered public in the past. I maintained then, as I do now, the inviolability of the following values: scientific truth and its anthropocentric contribution … the values of culture, democracy, human civilization, and of environmental health in the course of their development. My home country, Greece, is not parochial with respects to these values; rather, it bears them like a diachronic figure.

      The statement by Defkalion GT Inc. strikes me as megalomaniacal and presumptuous! Not only does it damage the firm’s own image; in my opinion, with its patent inaccuracies, it is also damaging to the cause of an outlook onto a new energy era … especially for Greece in its needy economic condition.

      I am expressing my opinion not just on ethical grounds, but also in an attempt to curb the communicative jubilation expressed by Defkalion GT Inc., inasmuch as I feel personally responsible for the transfer of Rossi’s technology to Greece as well as for the very existence of Defkalion … a failed instrument of implementation! I therefore state that:

      1 – One cannot develop a technology if one does not know the fulcrum on which it is based.

      2 – Defkalion’s failure to fulfill its contract for financial reasons has prevented it from gaining access to the crucial element, i.e. Rossi’s invention.

      3 – Its alleged engineering might involve the exploitation of the energy produced by some ancient oil lamp… or some similar source. More seriously, computer-rendered sketches devoid of any scientific basis or long-term experience in the field can yield no support to statements such as “Enhanced technology and engineering on Rossi’s invention or similar inventions”!

      4 – The aluminum fins of a heat exchanger cannot be Defkalion’s industrial secret! Industrial plumbers invented them many years ago. SERIOUSLY — it is unfair on Defkalion’s part to accuse ROSSI of using aluminum fins in an improper manner in a public demonstration!

      I could add to the list of the scientific and technological inaccuracies therein contained; but I will hesitatingly acknowledge some laborious albeit clumsy attempts on Defkalion’s part in the economic and entrepreneurial field, which I shall comment upon as follows:

      * Prepared business models for international expansion. DEFKALION HAD NO RIGHT TO DRAW UP INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS OUTSIDE OF GREECE AND THE BALKANS. THEREFORE, IF IT DID DRAW UP AGREEMENTS OUTSIDE OF GREECE AND THE BALKANS, IT DID SO ILLEGALLY AND WITHOUT ANY AUTHORIZATION.

      * Prepared legislative and certification procedures. HOW COULD HAVE DEFKALION PREPARED LEGISLATIVE CERTIFICATION PROCEDURES OF THE PRODUCT IF IT NEVER HAD ANY COGNIZANCE OF THE PRODUCT ITSELF, CONSIDERING IT DID NOT RESPECT THE FINANCIAL TERMS OF THE CONTRACT? DID IT CERTIFY A UFO?

      * Ensured national, regional and international network in politics and business. HAD DEFKALION COMPLIED WITH THE FINANCIAL TERMS OF THE CONTRACT, IT WOULD HAVE HAD EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS ONLY FOR GREECE AND THE BALKANS.

      * Prepared global financing. VERY FUNNY! THE REASON WHY THE CONTRACT BETWEEN ROSSI AND DEFKALION WAS CANCELLED LIES PRECISELY IN THE FACT THAT DEFKALION PROVED INCAPABLE OF GAINING THE NECESSARY FINANCIAL RESOURCES.

      Finally, I would like to stress that DEFKALION IS NOT GREECE!… and neither are A. Xanthoulis and his fanciful communication consultants… I can assure you that in that firm there are also some good elements… which have been deactivated.

      There are qualified persons (in that firm) with a long entrepreneurial experience and a track record of successfully implemented projects that should be valued without … a broken continuity.

      Now, in order to answer the question of why Greece can become a means to realize the use of this green revolutionary technology, and why it was chosen to be leader in its business applications (Greece and the Balkans), but hopefully also in the relevant research and technology, let me point out three basic reasons:

      – Our country has no primary energy sources except for lignite and hydroelectric energy. All other means of energy, especially renewable energy, rely on imported technology, which reflects greatly on their cost.

      – The current political leadership of our country was always sensitive to innovation, especially in the field of green energy growth. The current political leadership has been aware of this technology since 2004; progress reports in this scientific field were expected with great interest and with the hope that someday there might be some practical application of this technology.

      – In our country one may find businessmen endowed with courage and bravery, but also with a high patriotic sense of responsibility, willing to risk and invest in such an important technology. It is not a matter of what we shall gain from this Homeland of ours, but of what we are ready to offer our country, especially in these difficult times!

      Therefore, it was quite easy, two years ago, to convince my friends who had for a long time shared my interest in LENR, Rossi and Focardi, that — based on the above premises — they would do well to consider Greece as an interesting point for the development of this technology. Naturally, the cultural aspect also played its role; the ancient Greeks are still working for us!

      11 October 2011

      Christos E. Stremmenos
      Professor at the University of Bologna (retired),
      Former Ambassador of Greece to Italy

  • Martin6078

    I want to buy now a E-Cat. When and where can I obtain one. How much will it cost, service intervals and so on…
    BRGDs to all :
    Martin

    • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

      I have posted my desire to buy an e-cat on Rossi’s blog, (journal-of-nuclear-physics.com). Rossi has requested that I contact him in November as he is currently focused on his October release, and isn’t yet taking orders.

      The home use e-cat is expected to be a 10kw boiler. Rossi has said that he intends to price it at 500 euro per kw. So expect to pay 5,000 euro for a unit. I believe that the early e-cats will be rather rough around the edges. This thing is not likely to come with a nice users manual and a ten point installation procedure. If you are not very handy, you will need assistance getting it installed. Likely the unit will not have safety certifications such as U.L. listing. There also is some concern about one’s ability to ship this unit between countries. Laws of some countries, such as the U.S. make it very difficult to ship a “nuclear device”. This unit is likely to qualify as such. To get an e-cat at this point will take some determination. Being first on your block, in your city or in your country to own one — priceless.

    • Susan
  • Luca Salvarani

    Answering to a Focus journalist Rossi has declared that the 1 MW plant will be tested on 28 October IN BOLONIA! and the customer will be present.
    The original in italian:

    Ha dichiarato che l’applicazione ideale dell’E-Cat non è quella domestica ma la mini centrale da 1 MW che ci ha mostrato, per la quale non è previsto il funzionamento in “autosostentamento” e perché verrebbe gestita da personale specializzato: nel container ho contato 43 elementi, che per 27 kW termici danno 1.161 kWt. Conferma i numeri? (c’è chi dice che ci siano 52 E-Cat, chi 54, altri 57…)
    Confermo. Il 28 giugno a Bologna faremo il test della centrale da 1 MW alla presenza del “cliente”. Siete invitati anche voi di Focus e Mats Lewan per NyTeknik.

  • daniel maris

    I think Wes makes a fair point that up till now we have heard nothing about the involvement of health and safety agencies. I’ve found that a bit surprising and it is something that needs to be addressed.

  • s

    Hopefully, this demo will run for a long time on the order of days and weeks.

  • tony

    During the recent tests the Hydrogen went from 55bar to 15bar. 2/3 of a large bottle of hydrogen. How much does it cost for the hydrogen as opposed to the saleable energy produced? I hope it is cost effective.

    • Esa

      How was the hydrogen consumption measured?
      If it is true that the hydrogen bottle pressure was in the beginning of the test 55 bar and in the end of the test 15 bar, and the bottle size about 20 l, it means that the hydrogen consumption was 40 bar x 20l = 800 l.

      • Esa

        ok, the hydrogen bottle weight was measured, and the total change in weight was 1,5 g . How many liters of hydrogen 1,5 g is?

        • Esa

          Density for hydrogen is 0,089881g /l . 1.5 g of hydrogen is 16,6 l. Hydrogen energy amount is 39,39 kWh/ kg, so 1,5 g is 0,05 kWh. The most of the hydrogen is in a hose between reactor and bottle ( reduced pressure in a hose 15 bar ).
          Hydrogen can not be a source for the energy in this case.

          Concratulations to Andrea Rossi !

  • Steven

    Congratulations to Mr. Rossi on his success so far and hopefully the test of the 1MW plant will put a great deal of focus on this technology, however if anyone believes that this product will soon appear in your local hardware store between gas barbeques and electric toasters, then think again. It will need to come under the scrutiny of the scientific community, tested and eventually someone needs to come up with a feasible theory as to how the reaction is created, its safety and the possible misuse of this technology. I understand Mr. Rossi’s secrecy and his right to defend his patent and I hope he gets the rewards he is due, but the long road to marketing this product must begin with him letting the e-cat out of the bag and allowing the reactor and catalyst to be analysed, not just more demonstrations of water boilers.

  • daniel maris

    Great news! He normally sticks to his dates.

    So this provides the opportunity for Rossi to really cut off the heads of the “snakes” and firmly establish his credibility.

    We’ll see whether he delivers. As the units get bigger the allegations of fraud become less credible.

    I’m still rooting for Rossi, but the 6th October was a disappointment in many ways. Let’s hope we get past that with the 28th October test.

    Can the mainstream media ignore this event?

    • JPCCUSA

      “So this provides the opportunity for Rossi to really cut off the heads of the “snakes” and firmly establish his credibility.”

      Let’s hope he does not calibrate bathroom scales with people knowing their weight this time. THAT could help establish credibility!

    • JPCCUSA

      “So this provides the opportunity for Rossi to really cut off the heads of the “snakes” and firmly establish his credibility.”

      Let’s hope he does not calibrate bathroom scales with people knowing their weight this time. Using appropriately calibrated scientific instruments is the first step to establish credibility – trust me!

  • martinus

    Rossi has explicitely designed the plant to be inside a shipping container. Mobility is one of the killer features (apart from pirce) of the plant.

  • http://investeraiaktier.se Emilez

    If that rumor is true it is good that the company acted like it did. Because of that Rossi did not ship and we do not have to face the risk of a delayed 1 MW demonstration.

    And of course it is better if the production of the e-cat stays in Europe and that the income from its’ production is not wasted on the US.

  • Gregory P

    Actually, at the end of one of the videos, the E-cat appears to be located inside a shipping container. So it seems shipping it to another location would be quite appropriate for demonstration purposes.

  • Gregory P

    Surely the location would be the US, where the 1MW plant is going to be ?!?!?

    • admin

      NyTeknik reported that the shipping to the US was blocked by Rossi because of some terms in the contract that he couldn’t agree to. So the location is a mystery at this point.

    • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

      Rumor has it that the American source asked Rossi to ship it to “Andrea Rossi” in USA. The belief is that because the device is “nuclear” it may trigger legal trouble with the overprotective Department of Homeland Security. If this rumor is true it is pitiful that the American company would ask Rossi to potentially commit an illegal act to cover their a**es.

      It is also becoming clear that the American partner is “Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers”, who boasts membership including Al Gore and Colin Powell. These names are big enough, influential enough, that they can find a way to exempt this shipment from boilerplate law. If nothing else they can have it shipped via U.S. Navy, who is certainly qualified to ship the “nuclear” device.

      I am steamin’ mad at the U.S. company for risking Rossi’s safety in this matter. (Noting of course that this is all just rumor.) If I were Rossi, I’d explain to them that they are mean and vicious and that they just lost a multi-trillion dollar deal. If I were the American company, I would fire whoever made this decision, then I would clearly take possession in Italy, even if I chose to ship it to the states.

      • Wes

        Do we know the upper-bound of the energy which might be generated by a runaway e-cat? The e-cat is touted to host a “friendly” nuclear reaction. What if the reaction becomes “unfriendly,” and takes out a city? Would you like to have them test an unknown nuclear reactor next to your home? I doubt that any country where Rossi is testing has any idea of the risks (we don’t).

        The e-cat should be tested thoroughly, by compentent sicentists in remote location (i.e. Bikini Atoll). Until then, Rossi will not be selling many plants. That’s reality.

        • jcragris

          The E-cat is not a nuclear bomb.
          It is totally safe and whitout risks for people. Please read the history of cold fusion.
          More important, LENR reactions produce energy that is cleaner than any source of power used today with incredible energy density.

          • Wes

            And you would know this how? Do you own one? Can you tell us how it works?

            As for “LENR” history, Rossi has gone where no man has gone before; he is making LENR history.

            LENR may have a brilliant future for those who treat it with respect. Those who do not may have a considerably shorter future.

            • Joe V

              There is a vast amount of information on the working of the e-cat. I would suggest to you that you educate yourself starting at Rossi’s own website. The story of the reactor can be followed on numerous websites, all it takes is a little research. Rossi has installed numerous failsafes on the e-cat, to discourage patent infringement as well as safety concerns. When concerning LENR, there are no inherent issues which are associated with fission, or high energy fusion. It would do you justice, to do a little leg work before making such bold statements, such as, “takes out a city”!
              I for one would have no problem if they tested the reactor not only near my home, but in my home!

              • Wes

                Actually I have followed the story of the e-cat since the days of Piantelli. There is no accepted theory on what LENR is. None. Neither you nor anyone else can say for certain what the capability of LENR is. Optimized penetration of the Coulomb Barrier may bring us to a new threshold of energy generation.

                If you told Madam Curie in 1905 that small amounts of purified radioactive metal (Uranium) she was using could destroy a city, I am certain she would not have believed it either. It would do you justice to read some history.

              • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

                I agree with Wes on this one. There are a whole bunch of incompatible hypotheses out there, none of which have been confirmed. Its really hard to confirm an hypothesis when you can’t even get your hands on the device that demonstrates the issue.

                Physics will take a great humbling, then become a booming industry trying to figure out and prove what is going on in this device.

        • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

          While the wattage of a runaway has not been reported (the 20kw unit was measured at 135kw) there has been some indication that early units did run away.

          The evidence consists of molten nickel. If you think about this, it is really cool. The maximum internal temperature of the reaction is limited by the melting point of nickel (1435c). At that point, the nickel powder becomes a nickel blob, which of course doesn’t react.

          This natural safety valve is very reassuring.

          • Wes

            And what if the runaway reaction (of unknown conditions) generates sufficient heat to boil some of the nickel (2700c), releasing Ni vapor, creating maximum reactive surface area, flashing into a plasma, similar to the core of a star. Still reassured?

            • Paul

              Fission isn’t possible, so a run-away system won’t endanger a city. Perhaps the worst-case scenario could affect buildings or a city block. We live with such possibilities everyday, so it should be manageable. However, I’ll wait about 10 years before putting one in my house.

              I do agree that Rossi’s is rushing towards commercialization. That’s understandable because, if true, he’ll become a multi-billionaire and I hope he does. However, I’d rather see him patent the process while vetting it with an independent lab and then license and/or manufacture. I’m hopeful, but will not be surprised if there are endless delays and the 1MW plant never quite gets going.

            • dandelion

              For the LENR to happen the nickel must be in the form of crystals. If those crystals melt, the reaction stops. This is a natural fail safe measure that stops the system before a nuclear meltdown – not that this would be possible in the first place with LENR.

            • jcragris

              It reminds me of the history of black holes that would be produced by the LHC at CERN this year.
              Fortunately CERN is still there.
              I worked ten years at the CERN SPS (Super Proton Synchrotron).

            • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

              As there have been samples of the resultant molten nickel on display (citation needed), it would appear that meltdown has already been experienced. While it is conceivable that a future melt-down event would be different than the last one it is certainly true that the e-cat core can melt down is an non-catastrophic way.

          • Wes

            My concern is that Rossi’s current contractual delay over legal indemnification with his potential customer may be a harbinger of a larger liability issue, and serious delays. The e-cat is nuclear, but not the “bad” kind of nuclear; more like the “Ghost-busters back-pack” kind pf nuclear. Un-huh. We may see a cool household device, whereas the authorities may see Petrol Dragon revisited.

            My hope is that inventor Rossi can grow into a “Steve Jobs” type of success where genius is somewhat tempered by having to get the design accepted and productized in the real world.