What Could an E-Cat-Heated World Look Like?

It is too soon to definitively declare Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat to be a new form of energy for the world, but while we are waiting to hear from the results of Andrea Rossi’s upcoming tests, I thought it would be interesting and perhaps instructive to do a little speculating about what kind of a world we could be looking at if positive results are reported.

The E-Cat is essentially a heater which can apparently produce hot water and/or steam. Andrea Rossi has said that this technology will be able to produce heat at about one tenth of the cost of conventional heating sources. If this is the case, we could be looking at some very significant changes in the way the world is powered, and the effects that a much cheaper source of power could have on our world.

Here are a few ideas that come to mind.

1. Domestic, commercial and industrial heating could rapidly switch from fossil fuel energy sources to the E-Cat, resulting in a much reduced demand for natural gas and petroleum products.

2. E-Cat heat could make energy intensive desalination processes viable and allow for drinking water and irrigation in many of the drier parts of the world. Land that is currently arid could be made fertile allowing for increased agricultural production to feed a growing world population.

3. Cheap and abundant heat could allow for the growing of more food products in cooler climates. A model could be how Iceland uses its geothermal energy resources to provide heat for greenhouses and soil heating. Even bananas can thrive in such an environment!

4. One of the great possibilities for the E-Cat is in electricity generation. Andrea Rossi has said there are still difficulties to be overcome in this area (apparently electricity generation at lower temperatures is necessary) — but he estimates within one to two years the technology should be available.

5. Underground heating for snow and ice melting during winter — could be very beneficial on roads, parking lots and airport runways.

I’m always interested in what our readers have to say, so I’d like to throw this question out to the audience. What other kinds of changes do you think we could be seeing at if the E-Cat turned out to be a viable source of power? If you have any ideas to add to the list, please add them to the comments section below.

  • Andy

    Er, If we generate all this heat, will it not add to global warming? I know we will not be creating greenhouse gasses, but at what point does the generated heat equal greenouse gas heating ?

  • Rick Gresham

    Brad,
    Just a short off topic comment. Current thinking seems to be that people aggregate in cities because of opportunity rather that energy. Check out current issue of Scientific American. Big cities as brain trusts.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=bigger-cities-do-more-with-less

  • Brad Arnold

    One of the most significant aspects to LENR Ni-H is the ability to generate power decentralized. Rossi is very optimistic about the development of an E-Cat that doesn’t need to be connected continuously to an external source of power to work.

    If people can generate power cheaply anywhere, then there is virtually nowhere on Earth people can’t settle. Look at the demographics of the world and you see clustered populations in and around cities, mainly because there is where the power grid is located. On the other hand, with portable cheap power, individual households can dispose of sewage, have ample electricity, clean water, heating and cooling, etc. It will completely change the face of the Earth and human society.

  • David L

    Maybe we are all counting our chickens before they hatch but it’s just too tempting to not pass up. 🙂
    I love speculating of the potential of this technology. I honestly believe that in the long run the real potential will be found through the understanding the physics behind it, because that will lead to free energy beyond our wildest imagination. In the meantime though this is still going to shake the powers that be and usher in a revolution that will spread throughout the whole world.

    Now on the the original question.
    “What other kinds of changes do you think we could be seeing at if the E-Cat turned out to be a viable source of power? ”

    I have read a couple of articles on what future life would be like if/when cold fusion/LENR becomes reality. Some interesting things have been said. These our some of the most obvious.

    1) lower energy prices much sooner than expected. For the simple reason that we already have the infrastructure in place to do it. Everything should go down in price. Especially once we start making devices for cars and electricity. Keep an eye on Energetics Technologies for that.

    Energy is integral to everything. Energy is the one commodity that affects the economics and growth of every industry and trade. When you modify the cost and availability of energy, the rest of the budget changes.

    2) Some industries will benefit more than others. For instance the price of mining should go down substantially because a lot of energy is required to mine minerals. Also the price of steel and aluminum and all the other metals should go down. This will pass on the savings to us.

    3) Lower gasoline prices. Also we should eventually we will be able to make oil synthetically. This will bring big oil out of business unless they adapt quickly to the new market landscape.

    4) Desalination will become viable for counties like Africa.

    5) Recycling should become much more easy and common.

    We can recycle our computers and electronics economically. By heating them to high temperatures you can separate the metals and elements into there basic form and use or dispose of them properly. Instead of having kids from china doing the dirty work.
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    Somethings further down the road to look out for are:

    1) Being able to separate the different types of isotopes from different kinds of metals. This is currently and extremely expensive to do right now. But once it’s economical then you can open a whole new field of science. Finding different properties of different isotopes of the different metals. We can discover whole new ways of doing things.

    2) Being able to make big desalinization plants and make a fresh water river converting parts of the Sahara and Gobi deserts into farmland. Eventually it will start raining more in these regions and heal the land.

    3) A company is already making diamonds that are identical to real diamonds and even better than real diamonds. They make absolutely perfect diamonds. This will lead us to make technological advances. You could make a super computer with a diamond processor. That would make our current computers look like toys. We could make cars much stronger with diamond and many other things.

    We can turn small amounts of mercury into gold at with a high amount of energy right now. So I would image in the future we could scale that up and convert a lot of mercury into gold. Which will allow us to make a lot of technological advances. Since gold is a good conductor of electricity.

    Also since we can make diamonds and gold we should also be able to make and convert other metals into rare metals, in the near future. For instance we see in the e-cat that we can transmute metals. Eg nickel into copper and zinc. I would imagine in the future we should be able to refine this process and make or convert any metal we want and make any precious metal we want. This will end the monopoly on wealth. If diamonds and gold are not worth that much in the future then what will be valuable? Only advancing civilization will be valuable possibly. Since everyone is interdependent with everyone else. It erases the lines of being separate.

    4) Since cold fusion will be first commercialized in the US it gives us and advantage over other countries. I fear not so much for us but for countries who depend so much on the sale of oil. They will be hit the hardest. If they don’t adapt quickly they will have a lot of problems at first.

    5) Indoor framing should take off too. This will make it much easier to prevent food shortages from pestilence, drought, too much rain, etc. It will bring the price of organic food down. We will not have to worry about trace minerals being washed away in a flood.

    I ultimately I believe that we are going to eventually make this planet into a Utopia beyond our wildest imagination. That is with or without the E-Cat.

    Warm Regards,
    David L

  • Jim

    Simply put……………

    The E-cat has the potential to Power the entire world and to make space travel
    through out our solar system possible………..

    Never mind the low temperature steam……………When the mechanical engineers
    and the space engineers get finished, we will wonder why there was such a
    to do about it…………

    266 degrees F is enough to power the world and to power space travel

    Thanks,
    Jim

  • Rick Gresham

    I’m no expert on Stirling, but Rossi has already dismissed Stirling as the engines require about 700 degree temperature source to operate efficiently and e-cat won’t go there, at least not for a while.

    As for hydrogen fueled transportation, converting internal combustion engines has been accomplished, both spark and compression ignited. But issues other than hydrogen production always get in the way of commercialization – things like distribution and storing enough on board to drive a few hundred miles. The stuff’s nortoriously difficult (read expensive) to store. On site generation eliminates the first problem and eventually, material science may deliver a means to store it cost effectively or we may just go to Dimethyl Ether (lots easier to store in volume, efficient, clean combustion, etc) or (seems more likely) battery science will outpace hydrogen storage and we’ll all drive electric cars.

    Looking further into the future, I think we’ll see developments in thermoelectric materials that can be tightly integrated with the nickel power/catalyst so that the heat is extracted directly as electricity. A fairly efficient, relatively inexpensive solid state power supply will beat any kind of rotating energy conversion system.

    • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

      Simple stirlings run on as little as the heat of your hand (http://youtu.be/6DBktwPf3rk). I highly doubt if stirling requires 700 degrees to be efficient. Further, efficiency is really beside the point except as it competes with other heat engines (steam). The e-cat is so vastly more energy efficient than any other energy source that an e-cat plus a stirling at 10% efficiency is still way better than gasoline.

      I believe that Rossi is avoiding the connection of the e-cat to a rotary source right now because it is not his point. Further all stirling and steam engines are experimental or small time. That will change.

      • http://www.choicedowsing.com kwhilborn

        Yeah. The great debate in the automotive industry will probably see a few versions coming to market.

        – Steam engine cars might be the most efficient, but would require much design and speed of start-up to consider i.e. the e-cat must be brought to temperature before it can produce steam.
        – electric cars might be the most viable e-cat car because battery start up, and on board electricity generation could power any size vehicle.
        – Hydrogen Might also be a third green option based on e-cat, and some buses and vehicles do use hydrogen technology.

        No matter which one wins, we will all win.. Thanks Andrea Rossi.

  • Fritz

    Apart from my previous replay Iwill also give some technical comment.
    The technology of the E-CaT is perfectly suited to be implemented in combination with a Stirling motor. Such a Unit could be used to generate electicity and the cooling system required for the operation af this engine would be perfect for the heating of buildings. A stirling motor has many advantages for such an application becaquse it can be heated by any kind of burner, it does not produce any pollution by itself and it requres only very little service.

  • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

    My blog, http://www.nickelpower.org has been addressing this specific issue for a while with post (mostly behind the “older entries” link) like:
    Energy is Obsolete!
    What technologies will boom?
    Return of the steam car
    How goes the car company?
    What of airliners?
    How small does it go?
    Better than remote start!
    and What of the grid.

    In these posts I show that it won’t take long for e-cats to fully replace oil, gas, coal, hydro-electric and all other forms of large energy. Smaller batteries, I believe, will persist. I believe that steam and stirling will provide the conversion from heat to rotary and to elecric forms of energy. As some of these technologies are already fairly fine tuned, I think that it won’t take more than a decade for the e-cat to become the largest form of energy in the world. I expect there to be little but the e-cat in two decades. I am an optimist. My timelines may be a bit short. However, the e-cat is MUCH more than a source of heat.

  • Fritz

    When I follow these technical comments, it seems that nobody considers the implications of such an innovation to the community, to establised industries and the economies of countries depending on the present procurement of all kinds of energetic resourses as oil, gas, coal, atomic energy etc. Also, there should be some concern about possible negative developments when energy becomes real cheap and could modify the environment such that even more people will consume the nature, that a more crowded world would be the result. I am not negative about this technology, I think we need it, but with deep concern and full simulation of the possible outcome.

    • http://w kwhilborn

      It’s a green technology though so whether we are replacing coal or nuclear devices, or replacing gasoline with steam/electricity/ or hydrogen (all viable), we are helping the environment. Imagine 600 million less cars pumping out smog.. just nice clean air all around.

  • Dave C.

    I have to believe one of the early, straight-forward applications of this technology will be to pre-heat water used in conventional steam turbine plants, and use the existing infrastructure to produce electricity just as it’s done today but at lower cost due to the e-cat pre-heat stage.

  • Steven

    Hi,

    For large application; electrical power plant, the E-Cat could directly drive a steam turbine, already used in nuclear and thermical power plant. Generating gigawatts with much lower input and resources. Considering the E-Cats being of power scaled to the power plant.

    For small application; housing, the E-Cat could be directly linked to this kind of technology: http://www.mikebrownsolutions.com/20hpse.htm, providing 20HP (15KW) with an initial input of much lower power.

    Steven

  • http://n/a Dayton

    Gentlemen and Ladies,
    IMO. The greatest interest will not come from do gooders, some of course, but
    the common man that struggles for his leisure. What i am saying is the ecat can
    and will be fabricated by anyone who can use a wielding machine. Are not the
    components for the ecat already known? You all have heard Nickel58, can be
    mail ordered in nanoparticles, I haven’t priced the metal, A stainless contaner
    that can take 20 atmospheres or 19 bars, pure hydrogen, and an electric coil.
    Someone will find what the secret ingredient is and it will get out, fear not.
    Then the collapse of coal, petroleum, nuclear, solar, wind, hydro, geothermal,
    etcetera. Why pay a salary to all those people. And moreover Rossi is the new Edison 5000 experiments 110 years ago and now we have 2X10/7 transistors on the head of a pin. Again IMO, a new dark age for many years, Why? you ask. I’ll tell you,
    $100,000,000,000,000 of debt and no taxes to collect. Maybe nuclear war or maybe
    the Myan calender a new world order. Mr. Rossi you are greater than Caesar, and
    Copernicus combined.

    • Renzo

      Rossi was asked this question some months ago, can someone build an e-cat on his own? He replied negativelt because nano-powder is toxic and requires special skills and equipment to handle safely. This is probably true but I bet there are many determined people that will do acquire those skills and equipment 🙂

  • http://www.choicedowsing.com kwhilborn

    Going off topic a bit but a newer much cheaper (but not as effective) method of desalination has been developed. It can make seawater drinkable, but is not as effective as reverse osmosis.

    The new process uses ion concentration polarization, rather than reverse osmosis. The usual method of reverse osmosis requires pumps to send water through membranes that filter out the salt. The new process, however, uses an ion-selective membrane and separates salts and microbes from water electrostatically. The result is a system that doesn’t need to rely on powerful pumps.

  • jcragris

    from :http://www.economist.com/node/21527028

    To make seawater fit for human consumption its salt content of approximately 3.5% must be cut to 0.05% or less. Existing desalination plants do this in one of two ways. Some employ distillation, which needs about 10 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of energy per cubic metre of seawater processed. Brine is heated, and the resulting water vapour is condensed.

    Remark:
    heat , not electricity
    This is perfect for an E-cat!
    brigth future!!

  • Renzo

    Someone has pointed out that the domain http://www.e-cat.com now redirects to http://kpcb.com instead of Exxon. Really I don’t understand if there is something going on or if someone is pulling a little prank with domains and redirect. I’d bet more on the latter!

  • http://www.choicedowsing.com kwhilborn

    Imagine customized versions for every new car model produced. Imagine that instead of tiny electric cars that rely on batteries we can create our electricity needs as we drive. Would we all opt to drive Monster Truck S.U.V’s, or maybe we might all drive motor homes because the fuel is so cheap. 600 million smog producing cars and trucks may vanish from our streets. Cars may eventually come with a lifetime worth of fuel upon purchase (box of enriched nickel powder and a small hydrogen generator on board).

    Steam powered vehicles will be more efficient, however electric vehicles will probably be the first automobiles to utilize the e-cats.

    You might want something big enough to have a bathroom on board because all of the corner gas stations will start to disappear.

    People who opt for sailboats out of fear of gas prices might upgrade to power boats, and might even choose to live off the grid. Drop anchor and live off fish for a few years.

    Desalination plants will save millions of lives as they create freshwater lakes in arid regions, and towns that rely on pumps may have their own desalination plants powered by this cheap energy.

    Outdoor pools will be cheap to heat and will remain open all winter, and many people will heat things outdoors that were normally too pricey. Your corner bus shelter may need a door to keep in the heat from its brand new heating/AC units.

    Homes and apartment buildings may start moving off the grid and power companies will slowly need less infrastructure. Hydro lines and power stations will slowly turn into empty lots, and perhaps can be handed over to public transportation in the cities affected.

    Other green technologies like windmills etc will fall to the wayside. E-cats would be much more reliable and could be built for half the price. Terms like “Kyoto” will soon be forgotten.

    It could be damaging to our infrastructure if this becomes a technological stampede, and I hope it takes many years to implement all over.

    IF YOU DOUBT this technology here are some facts.

    Some people think Andrea Rossi is pulling a big scam. I think this is ludicrous for the following reasons.

    -Andrea Rossi currently owns many patents and makes money from them constantly. He has developed Biofuel patents still in use today.

    -He is a mover and shaker in the Chemistry field and has owned several companies that have done research. He had dealings with Jimmy carter (when he was president) and has sponsored a formula 3 racing team. You generally do not sponsor racing teams unless you are very well off.

    -Andrea Rossi has had some difficulty with the law in regards to his companies, but if you look fully into the matter you will see that he was committed to environmental chemistry even though it got his company in trouble.

    – He was a science major in University,and is one of the scientists that tried to reproduce the original Pons/Fleishmann cold fusion experiments back in the day.

    The more you read about this subject the more you will view it as real.

    >I have heard people say “he is just burning the hydrogen”, but that is not true as hydrogen has been weighed, and in the last video of it running “self sufficiently” 3 grams of hydrogen were chrged in and then the hose was disconnected totally..

    >I have heard there is less steam than a kettle. True steam is 100% invisible. What people see as “steam” is water condensing. This is not steam. The hotter steam is the more invisible it stays when it leaves the tube. Junior science.

    >People are still quoting scientists who were on the fence 6 months ago, but many have swayed their opinions. It is a more you read and understand the more you realize this technology is real.

    Merry Christmas to all …

  • georgehants

    With all of Governments, all of the Media and most of Science trying as hard as they can to hide and delay the prospect of Cold Fusion we seem to be relying on a lone inventor / scientist to bail out the World.
    If Rossi is successful and manages to break people free of the clear conspiracy to delay Cold Fusion the benefits from the Technology will be harnessed by clever people to transform every energy need.
    When Science announces that it is to finance an independent judicial inquiry into its behavior re. Pons etc. and Cold Fusion in general, then perhaps Science can start to be trusted again.

  • Dr. Johannes Hagel

    Thank you Frank for this interesting prospects to a much better world based on E-Cat technology. Let me add another possible development:

    Once the problem of generating electricity by E-Cats is resolved, it will be possible to split water in huge amounts to generate cheap hydrogen which then could be used to drive cars. As far as I know it is relativly straightforward to modify a gasolin driven motor to use hydrogen. The advantage of such a technology could be that it may be integrated easily into existing infrastructure like pipelines gasoline stations etc. Hydrogen driven cars then should just produce motion and water steam exiting the exhaution pipe and for sure no carbon dioxid.