Daily Digest of Rossi Quotes: June 5th (1MW E-Cat Plant to be Unveiled Last Week of October)

There are many people looking forward to October when Andrea Rossi’s first E-Cat plant is scheduled to go into operation. Rossi has now been more specific as to when in October the launch will take place. From Rossi’s site on Jun 5th:

Q: Do you have a specific date in October when your reactor will be ready or are you just generally targetting October?

A: Last week of October.

This takes a little more uncertainty out of the timeline, although I’m sure some will be disappointed that they will be kept in suspense until the very end of the month.

Some more interesting exchanges from June 5th:

Q: Will you be licensing the technology to third parties for further development into various applications or will you be doing that all by yourself with the help of your companies in Greece and the US?

A: We will license.

This would seem to be an approach that would allow for a more speedy proliferation and development of the E-Cat technology; it would mean that established companies with engineering and manufacturing capabilities would be able to bring E-Cat based technologies to market faster than if Rossi’s own companies were to do the development, production and distribution from scratch.

Q: 1. Have you signed any non-disclosure agreements with third-parties that would prohibit you from disclosing intellectual property related to your invention?
2. I’m curious about technology diffusion versus technology secrecy; how far would you be willing to go to protect your intellectual property? Would you be willing to delay the launch of the E-cat in order to invest time and resources on “self destruction” technology?
3.I’m working as a programmer and sometimes I see the benefit in making a project “open source” (i.e. free for everyone); it allows other people to advance the project in ways that I might not have thought about on my own and it allows me to benefit from the advances made by others. Additionally, if a project has any defects, I will receive reports about these defects so that I can easily fix them. For me it’s a very delicate process to decide what should be open and what should be closed source. However, I would argue that both alternatives have their own respective advantages and disadvantages. Also, I think that referring to the “communist model” and saying that it doesn’t work is just making things a bit too simple (as I’m sure Einstein would have put it.)

A: 1- yes
2- yes
3- It is a matter of contracts

Rossi again demonstrates that he is going to be bound by contracts he has entered into with third parties which require him to keep certain information about the E-Cat confidential. It seems this is the main reason that he thinks the home-based E-Cat technology will take time. He wants to have in place a mechanism to make sure that these devices cannot be back engineered. He has said that they have solved the security problems for industrial E-Cat installations, which should mean that there are no delays in rolling out the first plants, but his answer here indicates that home-based E-Cats will be a longer time coming. He will delay release until he is assured the secret is safe.

  • http://- Hitcher

    There is a known more efficient heat engine than usual steam, the ericsson hot air engine. I saw a patent online which would allow to drive a electric power generator (as hybrid), or drive a car directly.

    http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4984432.html

    I guess the heatet fluid should be oil and about 400°C for good efficiency,
    and the used gas would be nitrogen.

  • Marcello Gusberti

    Obviously you can built a steam powered vehicle as we have done it for centuries and with outstanding performances: trains , ships, busses and so on.

    Steam turbines (something that was first used 1908 to propel the original Dreadnought battleship) are comparable to not turbo enhanced diesel engines as power output and performances (absolutely not the same fuel compsunption, but in case of E-cat that would not be a problem at all).

    ONLY NOT TRY TO USE IT IN ANY CAR or better anything for private use:

    Not matter if powered throught coal, wood , petrol or even nuclear fission andy steam or otherwise externally powerd engine requires to reach operating temperature before to move even a single yard, and that caracteristic usually implies several minutes or also some hours if we are talking about something big.

    In case of E-cat the same switch off of vehicle itself would cause a lot of problems as we are talking about (a sort of) nuclear reaction that means an auto-fertilizing one: you can’t switch it off in any simple manner, only close immission of hidrogen and wait until all the rest presentin the tubes get consumed.

    Think a whole parking lot with all engines still running HOURS after you are back to work.

  • Rockyspoon

    One candidate steam engine that could utilize the Rossi E-Cat is the Cyclone–check out their web site here: http://www.cyclonepower.com/

    A disgram of the engine is here: http://www.cyclonepower.com/works.html

    The only modification needed to the engine would be a non-flame source of heat rather than using a liquid fuel (gas, diesel, alcohol). The Cyclone also does not need petroleum-based lubricants nor does it need a transmission.

    If your auto needed to be ready at all times, just leave the E-Cat in “neutral” and increase heat production as you head out. (You could always leave the air conditioner on in hot climates, or the engine running in idle in cold climates–either way, the energy used would be so inexpensive as to justify the operational mode.)

  • stefan

    >The whole idea sounds ill-conceived to me.

    Look, Rossi is trying to capitalize on his invention, he has invented it and may do whatever he wants with it; in fact to characterize it as “ill” is ill indeed; have respect for private property. If humanity wants to expedite the proliferation of this technology it should make the offer Rossi may not resist.

  • Forrest G.

    I really like the steam engine idea. It is very Back to the Future…yet practical at the same time. However, I must admit I am a little concerned about this talk of a self-destruct mechanism. I doubt it is possible and, even if it were, I don’t think it would ultimately be much good in keeping people from figuring out what makes the E-cat tick. The whole idea sounds ill-conceived to me.

  • http://extropolitca.blogspot.com Mirco Romanato

    It is a question of practicality, not of technology..
    Any steamer car would not have the same or better performance of a common car.

    In future, with a better e-cat technology, maybe. But, just now, it is unpractical.

    • Carlo

      Maybe a steam engine loco (just like the 5AT project) would be the perfect match. Steam trains can still be a viable and “green” choice for short to medium range passenger trains where high speed is not a requirement.
      E-cat technology could make these engines very energy efficient and more “green” than ever… for sure much more than diesel trains.

  • Bill Nichols

    Why can’t an E-Cat be used to power vehicles through steam. Call it a modern version of the “Stanley Steamer”? Has anyone asked him about this?

    As an Atmospheric Scientist, thermodynamically this is viable and perhaps elegantly with correct engineering. The heat capacity (i.e. potential power) of water should not be underestimated. We’ve been using it for thousands of years in various applications.